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Star Trek: Strange New Worlds (S2E02) -- "Ad Astra per Aspera” -- 6/22/23




AD ASTRA PER ASPERA — Commander Una Chin-Riley faces court-martial along with possible imprisonment and dishonorable dismissal from Starfleet, and her defense is in the hands of a lawyer who’s also a childhood friend with whom she had a terrible falling out.


Written by Dana Horgan. Directed by Valerie Weiss.





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Re: Star Trek: Strange New Worlds (S2E02) -- "Ad Astra per Aspera” -- 6/22/23

I guess there's a long tradition of courtroom drama episodes in ST. This one was okay, but a bit boring. Some good character moments, though.
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Re: Star Trek: Strange New Worlds (S2E02) -- "Ad Astra per Aspera” -- 6/22/23

I loved this episode. Right up there with TNG's Measure of a Man.

The only thing I didn't like:
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Given Starfleet officers' penchant for memorizing and citing Starfleet regulations and laws that pertain to them, I'm surprised none of the crew came up with the amnesty angle. I can overlook it, though, since it might more reasonably be similar to expecting a U.S. Naval officer to know immigration law (although I bet they know quite a bit about it).
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Re: Star Trek: Strange New Worlds (S2E02) -- "Ad Astra per Aspera” -- 6/22/23

It was a tough ep to get through and I found myself spacing on it. That said, Number 1's childhood friend Neera Ketoul (Yetide Badaki, "American Gods") was Badass, her outfits were bangin', and she was smokin' hot.
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Re: Star Trek: Strange New Worlds (S2E02) -- "Ad Astra per Aspera” -- 6/22/23

Great episode. Anson Mount needs to play Pike until he is dead. He is amazing and the best hire ST has ever made.
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Re: Star Trek: Strange New Worlds (S2E02) -- "Ad Astra per Aspera” -- 6/22/23

Not gonna lie, I started to get bored with the episode until it ramped up there at the end and I would be lying if I said I didn’t get a little misty eyed there at the end.

Loved Ortega’s voices mocking Spock and Pasik’s meeting and Spock’s subsequent comment “sorry that you had to witness that outburst.” 🤣🤣🤣
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Re: Star Trek: Strange New Worlds (S2E02) -- "Ad Astra per Aspera” -- 6/22/23

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Loved Ortega’s voices mocking Spock and Pasik’s meeting and Spock’s subsequent comment “sorry that you had to witness that outburst.” 🤣🤣🤣
That was great
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Re: Star Trek: Strange New Worlds (S2E02) -- "Ad Astra per Aspera” -- 6/22/23

Originally Posted by Goldberg74
Not gonna lie, I started to get bored with the episode until it ramped up there at the end and I would be lying if I said I didn’t get a little misty eyed there at the end.
I thoroughly enjoyed it. I know it's not action/adventure, but I have generally enjoyed the one-off law/court episodes they have done throughout the various Trek shows. This was no exception.

Loved Ortega’s voices mocking Spock and Pasik’s meeting and Spock’s subsequent comment “sorry that you had to witness that outburst.” 🤣🤣🤣
That was great.
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Re: Star Trek: Strange New Worlds (S2E02) -- "Ad Astra per Aspera” -- 6/22/23

The Ortegas scene, where she's with M'Benga watching Spock and the Vulcan admiral, was funny, but with what saw of her in "A Quality of Mercy," and how she was hostile and angry towards Spock gives that scene an ominous angle.

I also found this episode kind of upsetting in the way the Federation was depicted. I get the metaphor they were trying to make, but, good lord, it's like the Federation was setting up a Warsaw Ghetto and building up to a Kristallnacht.

But still, Starfleet and the Federation have always been shown as at least striving toward creating a Utopian society and being someplace most of us would want to live. But now, they're apparently some kind of apartheid state.

Though I can't fault this being a NuTrek thing since some older episodes showed the Federation in an intolerant and less-than kind light like "The Measure of a Man," "The Drumhead," and that one TNG episode where they were stealing a planet from the Indians.

I mean, "The Measure of a Man" is one of my all-time favorite episodes, but it gets darker each time I watch it. It's actually downright frightening when you realize how close the Federation came to stripping Data of his rights, agency, and humanity.

And, speaking of "The Measure of a Man," this episode did something that always bugged me about that episode. In TMoaM, Riker was forced to be the prosecution in that episode, which was kind of baffling. I can't imagine any kind of court would allow that to happen, where the someone is coerced into prosecuting their friend and co-worker, and don't why Maddox didn't object.

Likewise, we had Batel in this episode, who has been shagging the friend and commanding officer of the accused, on the prosecution team.

Do they not recognize conflicts of interest in the future?
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Re: Star Trek: Strange New Worlds (S2E02) -- "Ad Astra per Aspera” -- 6/22/23

I thought this episode was great. Star Trek at its best for an allegory of society. The situation with Una felt very on the nose. At the forefront it harkened to prejudice of race, but it made me reflect on events of today about gender identity and also immigration challenges.

It reinforces that how far we progress as a society, unfortunately the same situations seem to reoccur with different context.
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Re: Star Trek: Strange New Worlds (S2E02) -- "Ad Astra per Aspera” -- 6/22/23

Welp, i guess The Usual Suspects are crying about s2ep2 being "woke" . Someone in one of the Trek Groups im in created this. 😀


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Re: Star Trek: Strange New Worlds (S2E02) -- "Ad Astra per Aspera” -- 6/22/23

So boring.

where is Paul Wesley?
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Re: Star Trek: Strange New Worlds (S2E02) -- "Ad Astra per Aspera” -- 6/22/23

I was mostly annoyed that no one talked at all about why the genetic engineering ban was necessary. Like you can make a case for it that's not based on prejudice.
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Re: Star Trek: Strange New Worlds (S2E02) -- "Ad Astra per Aspera” -- 6/22/23

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I was mostly annoyed that no one talked at all about why the genetic engineering ban was necessary. Like you can make a case for it that's not based on prejudice.
I thought it was all based on the arguably legit fears left over from the Eugenics Wars? That would be common knowledge for them right?
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Re: Star Trek: Strange New Worlds (S2E02) -- "Ad Astra per Aspera” -- 6/22/23

Isn't there a huge logic hole in there, where we see that when Una was a child her parents wouldn't take her to be treated for a broken leg because they would be able to tell she's a genetically-enhanced Illyrian, but then she goes and signs up for Starfleet, spends twenty-five years moving up through the ranks to the rank of Commander, and nobody discovered her little secret? Did she not have any kind of physical exam or injury requiring medical attention in that time?

(And, great googly-moogly, that's a long sentence I wrote up there, but it still makes sense.)
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Re: Star Trek: Strange New Worlds (S2E02) -- "Ad Astra per Aspera” -- 6/22/23

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I thought it was all based on the arguably legit fears left over from the Eugenics Wars? That would be common knowledge for them right?
Yeah, they covered it in this episode, last season when La'an found out, and even as far back as Deep Space Nine. They can't expecting everyone watching SNW to be familiar with episodes and plot threads from a thirty-year old series, but this stuff was touched on last season and in this episode.
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Re: Star Trek: Strange New Worlds (S2E02) -- "Ad Astra per Aspera” -- 6/22/23

If anyone is interested. "A Strange New Pod" podcast did a show abou s2ep2 and they brought in "The Legal Geeks" who are real life Lawyers and Trek Fans to talk about this court room ep. I haven't finished it yet but its pretty interesting so far.

https://www.strangenewpod.com/
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Re: Star Trek: Strange New Worlds (S2E02) -- "Ad Astra per Aspera” -- 6/22/23

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Isn't there a huge logic hole in there, where we see that when Una was a child her parents wouldn't take her to be treated for a broken leg because they would be able to tell she's a genetically-enhanced Illyrian, but then she goes and signs up for Starfleet, spends twenty-five years moving up through the ranks to the rank of Commander, and nobody discovered her little secret? Did she not have any kind of physical exam or injury requiring medical attention in that time?

(And, great googly-moogly, that's a long sentence I wrote up there, but it still makes sense.)
By all accounts, Starfleet doesn't do in-depth medical tests on its officers since we run into the issue again on DS9. The solution in this episode did not create a plot conflict so kudos to the writers. I loved this episode.
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Re: Star Trek: Strange New Worlds (S2E02) -- "Ad Astra per Aspera” -- 6/22/23

Originally Posted by Giantrobo
If anyone is interested. "A Strange New Pod" podcast did a show abou s2ep2 and they brought in "The Legal Geeks" who are real life Lawyers and Trek Fans to talk about this court room ep. I haven't finished it yet but its pretty interesting so far.

https://www.strangenewpod.com/
I'm a real life lawyer and Trek fan, you can just ask me any questions about this episode.
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Re: Star Trek: Strange New Worlds (S2E02) -- "Ad Astra per Aspera” -- 6/22/23

Originally Posted by Bandoman
I'm a real life lawyer and Trek fan, you can just ask me any questions about this episode.

Yep! Had you in mind while listening to the show and posting the link. Lol
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Re: Star Trek: Strange New Worlds (S2E02) -- "Ad Astra per Aspera” -- 6/22/23

Originally Posted by Josh-da-man
Yeah, they covered it in this episode, last season when La'an found out, and even as far back as Deep Space Nine. They can't expecting everyone watching SNW to be familiar with episodes and plot threads from a thirty-year old series, but this stuff was touched on last season and in this episode.
Last season aired a year ago at least. They should've gone into it here, in this episode.
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Re: Star Trek: Strange New Worlds (S2E02) -- "Ad Astra per Aspera” -- 6/22/23

The discussion about La'an's heritage in this episode was sufficient to convey to the casual viewer that the Eugenics wars were terrible and that one of her ancestors was a known figure who was involved. Anyone who has ever watched Wrath of Khan knows the rest of the story, even those who don't also know what happened in Space Seed. I love how the writers create scripts that are fresh and able to be viewed without knowing all of Trek history, while also containing interesting nuggets that flesh out that history.
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Re: Star Trek: Strange New Worlds (S2E02) -- "Ad Astra per Aspera” -- 6/22/23

I won’t comment too long because a new episode is now out. But this was a great episode. Way better than the premiere. Good courtroom drama and also goes into civil rights. The actress who played Una’s lawyer was fantastic.
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Re: Star Trek: Strange New Worlds (S2E02) -- "Ad Astra per Aspera” -- 6/22/23

I know some fans over the years have asked for a Star Trek JAG series but I think it would lose its impact because Trek has not done courtroom episodes that often so when they do, they really swing for the fences and this episode was no exception. I could not fathom a way they could get around that rule and instead they used another rule against it. Some of the best rules-lawyering this show has ever seen.

And I agree that Ortega's racism is a bit concerning. I wonder if she's due for a reckoning in an upcoming episode.

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