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Old 08-07-23, 09:42 PM
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Re: Writers Strike 2023

Originally Posted by Gizmo
The WGA is running on fumes and now begging the AMPTP to pay their healthcare benefits while striking.
Wow, do you have the facts wrong. Like, completely wrong.


https://deadline.com/2023/08/wga-int...ly-1235455808/
The Writers Guild introduced new demands on Friday that could prolong the three-month strike even longer.

The demands include a point that the companies agree to “a health care benefit extension” that would give striking writers more time to qualify for the health coverage that many face losing because of a lack of earnings during the work-stoppage....

Under the old contract, writers had to earn at least $41,773 a year to qualify for health care coverage. But with three-months – and counting – of earnings already lost because of the strike, writers will have less time to attain that earnings threshold once the strike is over.

According to a statement released by the guild last night, Ellen Stutzman, the WGA’s chief negotiator, “made clear” to the AMPTP that “in addition to a comprehensive response from the AMPTP on our proposals in all work areas, we will need to address issues arising from the strike, including a health care benefit extension” and “additional” funding to the guild’s Pension & Health Fund.
The "additional funding" won't kick in until the strike ends, and the "extension" refers to how much time writers have to meet the "$41,773 a year" minimum to qualify for the health care. And again, the actual facts show how much your "They make $1000 a day" bit, as if they make that year-round, is a lie, since if that were true, making $41,000 a year wouldn't be an issue for any of the writers. Hell, the strike didn't start until May, all writers should've already made $120,000+ by then, right?

But please, prove me wrong and quote/cite where you got your claim from. Because I'm 99% sure you just read it wrong.
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Re: Writers Strike 2023

Originally Posted by Jay G.
Wow, do you have the facts wrong. Like, completely wrong.


https://deadline.com/2023/08/wga-int...ly-1235455808/


The "additional funding" won't kick in until the strike ends, and the "extension" refers to how much time writers have to meet the "$41,773 a year" minimum to qualify for the health care. And again, the actual facts show how much your "They make $1000 a day" bit, as if they make that year-round, is a lie, since if that were true, making $41,000 a year wouldn't be an issue for any of the writers. Hell, the strike didn't start until May, all writers should've already made $120,000+ by then, right?

But please, prove me wrong and quote/cite where you got your claim from. Because I'm 99% sure you just read it wrong.
You must be a WGA member to fight so hard for
them! Iím enjoying catching up on TV shows I missed and laughing every day as the WGA continues to fumble the ball in an environment where scripted was already taking a major plunge yet the WGA (and SAG) need those dues! Sadly, just because you joined and pay dues doesnít mean there is enough work for
you (hence the stupid minimums per episode they desperately want).


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Not sure why anyone should be laughing at working class actors and writers when they are otherwise so concerned about the other working class people affected unless... that wasn't genuine concern earlier?
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Old 08-09-23, 09:57 AM
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I like how when someone corrects his mistakes, he doesn't actually acknowledge his errors. No, the other person must work for the union. His ignorance and trollishness continues to astound.
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Re: Writers Strike 2023

Originally Posted by fujishig
Not sure why anyone should be laughing at working class actors and writers when they are otherwise so concerned about the other working class people affected unless... that wasn't genuine concern earlier?
Thanks to posters here, I no longer care about the BTL people. You all made me realize they don't matter as much as the writers or actors, which are the most important thing in this strike and possibly ever. Without 12 people writing an episode of Law and Order, it simply' won't be very good!
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Re: Writers Strike 2023

Originally Posted by Gizmo
Thanks to posters here, I no longer care about the BTL people. You all made me realize they don't matter as much as the writers or actors, which are the most important thing in this strike and possibly ever. Without 12 people writing an episode of Law and Order, it simply' won't be very good!
Do you think the "12 people" work on one episode of a TV show at a time? That's a thing you think?
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Old 08-09-23, 12:22 PM
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Re: Writers Strike 2023

Originally Posted by Draven
Do you think the "12 people" work on one episode of a TV show at a time? That's a thing you think?
We need 20, at least. If you want to be a writer, as long as you pay your union dues, you should be guaranteed 50 weeks of work!

letís get it done!
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You should probably hire some writers for your posts. They definitely need some work.
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Old 08-09-23, 02:01 PM
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Re: Writers Strike 2023

Originally Posted by Gizmo
We need 20, at least. If you want to be a writer, as long as you pay your union dues, you should be guaranteed 50 weeks of work!

letís get it done!
Who is asking for that?
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Originally Posted by spainlinx0
You should probably hire some writers for your posts. They definitely need some work.
Thanks! I just want to be on everyone elseís side now and Iím happy hundreds of thousands have been unemployed for months now with no end is sight. Itís good news! Writers need MORE money and MORE writing gigs!!!!11 letís all go stand outside with them on day 100!!!
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Originally Posted by Gizmo
Thanks! I just want to be on everyone elseís side now and Iím happy hundreds of thousands have been unemployed for months now with no end is sight. Itís good news! Writers need MORE money and MORE writing gigs!!!!11 letís all go stand outside with them on day 100!!!
...you know the writers voted for this, right? Like they knew what it meant, they knew they'd be outside striking...you're acting like "the union" made them do it when the WRITERS ARE THE UNION.
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Re: Writers Strike 2023

Incoming nonsensical post about "dues" and "what about the other employees I pretend to care about."
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Old 08-09-23, 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Gizmo
We need 20, at least. If you want to be a writer, as long as you pay your union dues, you should be guaranteed 50 weeks of work!
Originally Posted by spainlinx0
You should probably hire some writers for your posts. They definitely need some work.
Nobody is, Gizmo is lying. The WGA is asking for writer's rooms with a minimum of 6 writes, and a maximum requirement of 12. Nobody is demanding 20 writers per show, let alone per episode.

Also, nobody is asking for guaranteed 50 weeks of work, unless the writer is working for a show that is producing 17 or more episodes a season.

https://www.wgacontract2023.org/the-...as-of-5-1-2023
1 writer per episode up to 6 episodes, then 1 additional writer required for each 2 episodes after 6 up to a max. of 12 writers

Minimum staff guaranteed at least 10 consecutive weeks of work...

Writers on staff must get at least 3 weeks per episode (up to a max. of 52 weeks).
A show would have have a season of 17 episodes to work 51 weeks.18 episodes or more would be 52 weeks of work.

This article notes how writers' pay has declined in the last decade. Meanwhile, the showrunners take the brunt of the work while the other writers are laid off earlier.
https://www.wgacontract2023.org/upda...not-keeping-up
Median weekly writer-producer pay has declined 4% over the last decade. Adjusting for inflation, the decline is 23%.In addition to falling weekly pay, most writers on streaming shows are earning less per season because of shorter work periods. As the chart below shows, the new “typical” employment for lower- and mid-level writers on a streaming series is 20-24 weeks, or only 14 weeks if the room is convened without a series order (ie, a pre-greenlight room). Showrunners, on the other hand, are working almost the same number of weeks in streaming as they do in broadcast, reflecting the true length of time these series take to complete. More than 40% of showrunners working on streaming series reported working for over 52 weeks on their most recent season.
More info:
https://www.creativescreenwriting.co...an-protection/
During the heady days of near exclusive broadcast television, a TV writer would be hired to write 20 – 24 episodes per season and therefore be consistently employed for up to ten months a year in a writers’ room with a consistent weekly pay check. Streamers are increasingly favoring “limited series” which comprise 6 – 10 episodes, so pay checks are organically shrinking in size and frequency. Some TV writers may only be paid for a few months a year and expected to survive on that for the whole year.

TV writers on a streaming series theoretically work for 24 weeks on a 10 episode series according to the 2.4 weeks per episode rule. This number is reduced to 14 weeks if there is a mini-room or if the showrunners start working on a series before it’s formally greenlit – the insidious pre-greenlit room which doesn’t actually guarantee a season order. Writers in such pre-greenlit mini-rooms are often paid at scale. Moreover, studios egregiously argue that fewer writers are subsequently required in the writers’ room after a series order since a substantial amount of work has already been completed.
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Re: Writers Strike 2023

Half the writers working today in Hollywood shouldn't have jobs to begin with, the selection process has been hopelessly broken for a generation. That's more a culture problem than anything else but there really aren't junior leagues anymore to give television writers an apprenticeship period.

The staff churn on most television shows after this upcoming settlement will be worse than ever. The truth of the matter is that most studios view television writers as almost completely fungible and replaceable. There's always a new crop of Ivy League graduates willing to try their hand at writing for peanuts with fantasies of breaking into Hollywood.
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Hell yeah! Disney just announced new price hikes for Disney+ and Hulu today on the 100 Days of Unemployed Fun ! Canít wait to pay more money so writers can finally earn over $1000 a day! Yes!!!! They really deserve it !!!!


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Re: Writers Strike 2023

Originally Posted by Gizmo
Hell yeah! Disney just announced new price hikes for Disney+ and Hulu today on the 100 Days of Unemployed Fun ! Canít wait to pay more money so writers can finally earn over $1000 a day! Yes!!!! They really deserve it !!!!
You truly are clueless aren't you
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Originally Posted by PhantomStranger
Half the writers working today in Hollywood shouldn't have jobs to begin with, the selection process has been hopelessly broken for a generation. That's more a culture problem than anything else but there really aren't junior leagues anymore to give television writers an apprenticeship period.

The staff churn on most television shows after this upcoming settlement will be worse than ever. The truth of the matter is that most studios view television writers as almost completely fungible and replaceable. There's always a new crop of Ivy League graduates willing to try their hand at writing for peanuts with fantasies of breaking into Hollywood.
Yes, executives will cut corners wherever they are allowed, which is why it's super important to have a union which protects people from being exploited by a power imbalance.

Originally Posted by Gizmo
Hell yeah! Disney just announced new price hikes for Disney+ and Hulu today on the 100 Days of Unemployed Fun ! Canít wait to pay more money so writers can finally earn over $1000 a day! Yes!!!! They really deserve it !!!!
So they aren't paying the writers or the staff right now, but they still raised prices. Almost like the executives are going to raise prices no matter what, and they conveniently blame ever supressed wages instead of a disgusting amount of greed on the part of executives and shareholders.
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Re: Writers Strike 2023

Originally Posted by Gizmo
Hell yeah! Disney just announced new price hikes for Disney+ and Hulu today on the 100 Days of Unemployed Fun ! Canít wait to pay more money so writers can finally earn over $1000 a day! Yes!!!! They really deserve it !!!!

High prices for mostly programming and cartoons geared towards kids
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Originally Posted by Gizmo
Hell yeah! Disney just announced new price hikes for Disney+ and Hulu today on the 100 Days of Unemployed Fun ! Canít wait to pay more money so writers can finally earn over $1000 a day! Yes!!!! They really deserve it !!!!
Sounds like the streamers will then have plenty of money to pay the writers a living wage!

And it looks like Iger is ready to talk. Maybe Gizmo isÖwrong?




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https://deadline.com/2023/08/writers...tp-1235459662/

Contract talks to resume Friday

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Originally Posted by JeffTheAlpaca
High prices for mostly programming and cartoons geared towards kids
Also Disney who own ESPN are bleeding money as sports content keeps costing them more each new contract despite it bringing in less carriage fee's each year as more people cord cut. As more people shift to streaming it just means over time instead of the litte old lady from Pasadena who just likes her news,soaps and copper shows subsidizes sports with her cable bill that burden will just shift to nerds who don't watch sports but stream from a company that carries sports content.
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Also Disney who own ESPN are bleeding money as sports content keeps costing them more each new contract despite it bringing in less carriage fee's each year as more people cord cut. As more people shift to streaming it just means over time instead of the litte old lady from Pasadena who just likes her news,soaps and copper shows subsidizes sports with her cable bill that burden will just shift to nerds who don't watch sports but stream from a company that carries sports content.
Hmm, maybe if sports programming can't make money, it should also be downsized.
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Originally Posted by Draven
Sounds like the streamers will then have plenty of money to pay the writers a living wage!

And it looks like Iger is ready to talk. Maybe Gizmo isÖwrong?


$1000 a day is a living wage. If they canít book other gigs after they probably work in an over saturated market.

But hey, the WGA knows this and keeps accepting new writers (due$) but itís totally cool because everyone here will just keep paying the higher and higher sub fees for less content. Not me!
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Originally Posted by Draven
Hmm, maybe if sports programming can't make money, it should also be downsized.
Sports are dumb as a shit. Get rid of ALL of them. Those people are way over paid for tossing a little ball around.
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You truly are clueless aren't you
You love to sling insults when the streamers are bleeding subscribers and losing money.

this strike saved them so much money and they get to shitcan a bunch of shows AND reduce episode orders.

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