Cheers: Best Moments, Making of, and Who's on Day Shift?!
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Cheers: Best Moments, Making of, and Who's on Day Shift?!
Agreed! I was always a bigger fan of the Rebecca Howe years of Cheers. Shelley Long's Diane was good for about a season and a half, then it was just too much of the same from the character. And the way the beginning of each season would have to shoehorn in a way to bring Diane back to the bar and waiting tables started to stretch the imagination after a while.
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A little off topic, but one thing I didn't think about until years after the show ended was that before Diane's arrival - Carla was the only waitress working at the bar (although I can't remember if they mentioned another waitress leaving before the show's timeline). And while Diane was employed, Carla complained to Sam a few times that Diane doesn't seem to do much waitressing (she usually just sat reading a book). But when Diane left, Carla was the lone waitress again. I think I remember them looking for a second waitress to replace Diane (and even hiring one temporarily that didn't work out), but that was the last we heard about it. Carla wound up being the lone waitress post-Diane.
I don't remember if they ever had extras waiting tables in the background or not, like the random patrons that sat at tables and never spoke.
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Norm never paid his bar tab, at least until Rebecca's company bought the bar. How much did Norm stiff Carla on tips over the years? No wonder she hated him.
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Cliff was definitely a different character very early in the show.
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A little off topic, but one thing I didn't think about until years after the show ended was that before Diane's arrival - Carla was the only waitress working at the bar (although I can't remember if they mentioned another waitress leaving before the show's timeline). And while Diane was employed, Carla complained to Sam a few times that Diane doesn't seem to do much waitressing (she usually just sat reading a book). But when Diane left, Carla was the lone waitress again. I think I remember them looking for a second waitress to replace Diane (and even hiring one temporarily that didn't work out), but that was the last we heard about it. Carla wound up being the lone waitress post-Diane.
Norm had a white collar, mostly 9 to 5 job with similar hours to Cliff as a mail man, but Cliff may have gone to work a little earlier and got off earlier as well as he was usually in the bar before Norm got there. So, most of what we saw on the show would have happened later in the evening on weekdays or on the weekends. Maybe what we saw happened during those hours and he had other bartenders and wait staff during the other hours that we just never saw. It's not possible for Carla to be working 88 hours a week, nor is it likely for Sam or the other bartenders. I feel like there were some other waitstaff in some of the other episodes that just didn't have speaking lines. I seem to recall during a few opening scenes, you could see Carla and another waitress waiting tables in the background while the camera panned towards Sam at the bar talking to one of the regulars.
So, it's possible they had other employees working there at times, they just weren't important to the plot so they were either not seen or didn't have any speaking parts. You could also assume that Cheers has another entrance, even if never shown, as there are several scenes that show wheelchair bound patrons in the bar who would have been unable to get down the steep stairs even with assistance. Also, fire laws would have required them to have a second point of egress in case of an emergency.
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It’s funny to think that there was another side of the week with a completely different staff at Cheers. 
Maybe that’s a good idea for a sequel (side-quel) series. Cheers: The Waking Hours.

Maybe that’s a good idea for a sequel (side-quel) series. Cheers: The Waking Hours.
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Assuming that a bar is open from 12pm to midnight and 2 am on weekends, that's 88 hours of labor you would need for each bartenders and waitresses if you needed those positions filled all the hours the bar was open not including any overlap. Sam and Woody/ Coach overlapped quite a bit just as Carla and Diane did.
Norm had a white collar, mostly 9 to 5 job with similar hours to Cliff as a mail man, but Cliff may have gone to work a little earlier and got off earlier as well as he was usually in the bar before Norm got there. So, most of what we saw on the show would have happened later in the evening on weekdays or on the weekends. Maybe what we saw happened during those hours and he had other bartenders and wait staff during the other hours that we just never saw. It's not possible for Carla to be working 88 hours a week, nor is it likely for Sam or the other bartenders. I feel like there were some other waitstaff in some of the other episodes that just didn't have speaking lines. I seem to recall during a few opening scenes, you could see Carla and another waitress waiting tables in the background while the camera panned towards Sam at the bar talking to one of the regulars.
So, it's possible they had other employees working there at times, they just weren't important to the plot so they were either not seen or didn't have any speaking parts. You could also assume that Cheers has another entrance, even if never shown, as there are several scenes that show wheelchair bound patrons in the bar who would have been unable to get down the steep stairs even with assistance. Also, fire laws would have required them to have a second point of egress in case of an emergency.
Norm had a white collar, mostly 9 to 5 job with similar hours to Cliff as a mail man, but Cliff may have gone to work a little earlier and got off earlier as well as he was usually in the bar before Norm got there. So, most of what we saw on the show would have happened later in the evening on weekdays or on the weekends. Maybe what we saw happened during those hours and he had other bartenders and wait staff during the other hours that we just never saw. It's not possible for Carla to be working 88 hours a week, nor is it likely for Sam or the other bartenders. I feel like there were some other waitstaff in some of the other episodes that just didn't have speaking lines. I seem to recall during a few opening scenes, you could see Carla and another waitress waiting tables in the background while the camera panned towards Sam at the bar talking to one of the regulars.
So, it's possible they had other employees working there at times, they just weren't important to the plot so they were either not seen or didn't have any speaking parts. You could also assume that Cheers has another entrance, even if never shown, as there are several scenes that show wheelchair bound patrons in the bar who would have been unable to get down the steep stairs even with assistance. Also, fire laws would have required them to have a second point of egress in case of an emergency.
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Some of you appear to think this is the Marvel Bullpen and you can earn yourself an 80s TV No-Prize!
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I think you mean Day Court!
I wasn’t an ardent Cheers viewer (too young), but recall seeing reruns. I really knew her from Star Trek II. I’m honestly not sure I knew Savik was supposed to be half Romulan. Interestingly, I always preferred Robin Curtis’ portrayal of the character.
I wasn’t an ardent Cheers viewer (too young), but recall seeing reruns. I really knew her from Star Trek II. I’m honestly not sure I knew Savik was supposed to be half Romulan. Interestingly, I always preferred Robin Curtis’ portrayal of the character.
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You don't think Sam shared his tips with Carla?
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(BTW, Thread drifting from remembering Kristie Alley to discussing what to tip Carla and Sam is maybe my favorite DVD Talk tangent ever)
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There was an episode where Sam hires a waitress to replace Diane. She was the perfect waitress and had a hot daughter that Sam could not resist going after, despite Carla being pissed that it would probably end badly.

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On a side note, Cliff would have been in violation of postal regulations for consuming alcoholic beverages while wearing a postal uniform even if he was off duty at the time.
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I just did a rewatch earlier in the year. Rebecca's first year was probably Cheer's roughest year. Wasn't a bad season, but was very uneven and easily the weakest. It's like they didn't know what to do with Rebecca & Sam. Fortunately they adapted and the show improved.
That aside it's a shame she went off the deep end the last few years.
That aside it's a shame she went off the deep end the last few years.
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Assuming that a bar is open from 12pm to midnight and 2 am on weekends, that's 88 hours of labor you would need for each bartenders and waitresses if you needed those positions filled all the hours the bar was open not including any overlap. Sam and Woody/ Coach overlapped quite a bit just as Carla and Diane did.
Norm had a white collar, mostly 9 to 5 job with similar hours to Cliff as a mail man, but Cliff may have gone to work a little earlier and got off earlier as well as he was usually in the bar before Norm got there. So, most of what we saw on the show would have happened later in the evening on weekdays or on the weekends. Maybe what we saw happened during those hours and he had other bartenders and wait staff during the other hours that we just never saw. It's not possible for Carla to be working 88 hours a week, nor is it likely for Sam or the other bartenders. I feel like there were some other waitstaff in some of the other episodes that just didn't have speaking lines. I seem to recall during a few opening scenes, you could see Carla and another waitress waiting tables in the background while the camera panned towards Sam at the bar talking to one of the regulars.
So, it's possible they had other employees working there at times, they just weren't important to the plot so they were either not seen or didn't have any speaking parts. You could also assume that Cheers has another entrance, even if never shown, as there are several scenes that show wheelchair bound patrons in the bar who would have been unable to get down the steep stairs even with assistance. Also, fire laws would have required them to have a second point of egress in case of an emergency.
Norm had a white collar, mostly 9 to 5 job with similar hours to Cliff as a mail man, but Cliff may have gone to work a little earlier and got off earlier as well as he was usually in the bar before Norm got there. So, most of what we saw on the show would have happened later in the evening on weekdays or on the weekends. Maybe what we saw happened during those hours and he had other bartenders and wait staff during the other hours that we just never saw. It's not possible for Carla to be working 88 hours a week, nor is it likely for Sam or the other bartenders. I feel like there were some other waitstaff in some of the other episodes that just didn't have speaking lines. I seem to recall during a few opening scenes, you could see Carla and another waitress waiting tables in the background while the camera panned towards Sam at the bar talking to one of the regulars.
So, it's possible they had other employees working there at times, they just weren't important to the plot so they were either not seen or didn't have any speaking parts. You could also assume that Cheers has another entrance, even if never shown, as there are several scenes that show wheelchair bound patrons in the bar who would have been unable to get down the steep stairs even with assistance. Also, fire laws would have required them to have a second point of egress in case of an emergency.
And, speaking of other waitresses, I kind of remember an episode where Carla's daughter needed a job and Sam let her wait tables for tips only because they couldn't budget for another waitress.
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Re: Kirstie Alley dead at 71
Love all those deleted scenes of the dishwasher staff upstairs at Mellville's.