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Old 08-09-22, 01:11 PM
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Re: Better Call Saul (S6E012) - "Waterworks" - 8/8/22

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Clifford Main works in Santa Fe. No reason really to be in Albuquerque now that the Sandpiper case is done.
Well, he certainly spent a lot of time with Howard, so it might have been good if Kim had gotten Howard's wife and Clifford together to confess since they focused on making Clifford think Howard had a drug problem.

I was imagining what Kim must have been thinking when her coworkers discussing crack and ecstasy.
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Re: Better Call Saul (S6E012) - "Waterworks" - 8/8/22

My gut feeling during viewing was Jeff crashed out of panic.
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Re: Better Call Saul (S6E012) - "Waterworks" - 8/8/22

What were the cops doing there in the first place? They just happen to park outside of the house that Saul has broken into?
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Re: Better Call Saul (S6E012) - "Waterworks" - 8/8/22

Originally Posted by windom
What were the cops doing there in the first place? They just happen to park outside of the house that Saul has broken into?
Yup. Close to the taco stand, apparently.
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Re: Better Call Saul (S6E012) - "Waterworks" - 8/8/22

Trying to figure out the date roughly of Kim dissolving the marriage and meeting Jesse? (Unless it was on the paperwork and I missed it.)

Also, I know there’s mixed feelings about the black and white episodes. I see both sides. I haven’t hated it, and I obviously understand the need to do it artistically after committing to it with the flash forwards over the season. But I will admit to now starting to miss the color, just because one of my favorite parts of the show and this universe is the cinematography and all the great colors and shots. I do wonder if the last episode will have more color now that he’s been made and is on the run again as Saul Goodman.
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Re: Better Call Saul (S6E012) - "Waterworks" - 8/8/22

Originally Posted by Decker
Yup. Close to the taco stand, apparently.
If you can even call that a taco
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Re: Better Call Saul (S6E012) - "Waterworks" - 8/8/22

Originally Posted by benh911
Trying to figure out the date roughly of Kim dissolving the marriage and meeting Jesse? (Unless it was on the paperwork and I missed it.)
It's kind of weird. The paperwork in the episode shows that Jimmy and Kim married on May 6, 2004. The Better Call Saul timeline places the divorce-signing meeting in 2004 (but I don't know how they figured that), which seems very early to sign divorce papers. But it is a very compressed timeline overall. Howard and Lalo both die on June 24, 2004.
We see Emilio in the episode, and he dies in "Cat's In The Bag" on October 2, 2008.

So my big take-away is that Kim and Jimmy were only married for about 7 weeks.
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Re: Better Call Saul (S6E012) - "Waterworks" - 8/8/22

That was a much better use of a Jesse cameo. So now Gene identity is burned. Does he go in the run or get caught before he can. Doesn't seem to have many resources to use to get out of town.

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Re: Better Call Saul (S6E012) - "Waterworks" - 8/8/22

Originally Posted by Deftones
That was a much better use of a Jesse cameo. So now Gene identity is burned. Does he go in the run or get caught before he can. Doesn't seem to.have much resources to use to get out of town.
Here's today's BCS tweet

But we know Saul has a bag of Diamonds we saw in the pilot. Plus now a stash of cash in the crawl space. He could disappear again (or he could have, if Robert Forester hadn't died), but it would be a really unsatisfying ending.
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Re: Better Call Saul (S6E012) - "Waterworks" - 8/8/22

Originally Posted by Decker
It's kind of weird. The paperwork in the episode shows that Jimmy and Kim married on May 6, 2004. The Better Call Saul timeline places the divorce-signing meeting in 2004 (but I don't know how they figured that), which seems very early to sign divorce papers. But it is a very compressed timeline overall. Howard and Lalo both die on June 24, 2004.
We see Emilio in the episode, and he dies in "Cat's In The Bag" on October 2, 2008.

So my big take-away is that Kim and Jimmy were only married for about 7 weeks.

Wow, that would be brutal if true.
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Re: Better Call Saul (S6E012) - "Waterworks" - 8/8/22

Nice shoutout from Glen on Duke's mayo which, is in fact, leaps and bounds better than Hellman's mayo/miracle whip.
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Re: Better Call Saul (S6E012) - "Waterworks" - 8/8/22

Do we know why Saul was so irate after trying to get Kim on phone from last ep? Was it just she didn’t want to talk anymore and what she said in this episode? It seemed he was more angry then he should be.
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Re: Better Call Saul (S6E012) - "Waterworks" - 8/8/22

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Do we know why Saul was so irate after trying to get Kim on phone from last ep? Was it just she didn’t want to talk anymore and what she said in this episode? It seemed he was more angry then he should be.
Did you watch this episode? His ex-wife told him not to call her and that he should turn himself into the police.
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Re: Better Call Saul (S6E012) - "Waterworks" - 8/8/22

Yes, I saw that, but his reaction last week seemed more hostile, like she was dead or something, but ok, I get it now.
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Re: Better Call Saul (S6E012) - "Waterworks" - 8/8/22

Originally Posted by Decker
It's kind of weird. The paperwork in the episode shows that Jimmy and Kim married on May 6, 2004. The Better Call Saul timeline places the divorce-signing meeting in 2004 (but I don't know how they figured that), which seems very early to sign divorce papers. But it is a very compressed timeline overall. Howard and Lalo both die on June 24, 2004.
We see Emilio in the episode, and he dies in "Cat's In The Bag" on October 2, 2008.

So my big take-away is that Kim and Jimmy were only married for about 7 weeks.
It felt like there was more than a few months between Kim leaving and Jimmy fully embracing Saul during Fun and Games. If it was really only a matter of weeks for him to buy that gawdy mansion, start banging prostitutes on the regular, and go full tilt on the Saul character we saw in BB, it says a lot about that character.
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Re: Better Call Saul (S6E012) - "Waterworks" - 8/8/22

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It felt like there was more than a few months between Kim leaving and Jimmy fully embracing Saul during Fun and Games. If it was really only a matter of weeks for him to buy that gawdy mansion, start banging prostitutes on the regular, and go full tilt on the Saul character we saw in BB, it says a lot about that character.
No. Seven weeks between Kim and Jimmy getting married, seemingly out of legal necessity, and her "I love you too, but so what?", when she leaves Jimmy for good. The mansion stuff is a jump-ahead to 2007, per the timeline. I don't know how they determined that. Per that website :
  • Jimmy's car has license plate tags with an expiration date of November 2005, and a handicap placard dated November 20th 2008. In New Mexico, permanent handicap placards are good for 4 years[1], meaning the earliest the flash-forward scenes could take place (although unlikely) is November 2004.
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Re: Better Call Saul (S6E012) - "Waterworks" - 8/8/22

So how long is it between seeing Emilio at Saul's and his eventual demise in a tub of acid? His legal troubles can't be a result of the DEA raid on his meth lab, because he immediately suspected Jesse ratted him out, and in this case, Jesse was waiting for him outside.
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Re: Better Call Saul (S6E012) - "Waterworks" - 8/8/22

Originally Posted by Decker
No. Seven weeks between Kim and Jimmy getting married, seemingly out of legal necessity, and her "I love you too, but so what?", when she leaves Jimmy for good. The mansion stuff is a jump-ahead to 2007, per the timeline. I don't know how they determined that. Per that website :
Ahh, I had the timeline wrong. I was thinking the divorce papers were being signed after he had the mansion and was binging on prostitutes, so several years after she had walked out.
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Re: Better Call Saul (S6E012) - "Waterworks" - 8/8/22

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So how long is it between seeing Emilio at Saul's and his eventual demise in a tub of acid? His legal troubles can't be a result of the DEA raid on his meth lab, because he immediately suspected Jesse ratted him out, and in this case, Jesse was waiting for him outside.
The scene takes place before the BB pilot. About 3.5 years.

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Re: Better Call Saul (S6E012) - "Waterworks" - 8/8/22

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Isn't that Gilligan's wife?
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Re: Better Call Saul (S6E012) - "Waterworks" - 8/8/22

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Yes, I saw that, but his reaction last week seemed more hostile, like she was dead or something, but ok, I get it now.
Just frustration, I imagine.

He definitely took the wrong track when talking to her.
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Originally Posted by clckworang
I saw it as Jeff panics and crashes into the car while trying to flee, and when he calls, Jimmy goes into full Saul mode. He knows the cops have nothing on the guy for burglary and really plays it up. He's feeling so sure of himself and his ability to get through any mess that his guard goes down and he makes that comment to Marion.
Sometimes I wonder if people posting here are watching the same show I am lol. Yes the post above nails it. This isn't an ambiguous scene at all. Jeff's character is a full on goof (after the recasting). This was definitely a panicked move from a goofy dude. Saul wasn't going to get on a phone and make a phone call near by a just barely fallen back to sleep home owner. Also they would have shown Jeff getting a phone call in the cab if he got one. Jeff is a loser goof that made a loser goof choice and fucked up by crashing his car. Even when he gets out he has this scared loser look on his face when he looks up at the police. I legit laughed out loud at the crash because it was about as slapstick of a scene as an Ace Ventura talking with his butt.

Saul laid the phone on his table when he got home because he just knew he'd be Jeff's one call. (And he was hoping for that too, because if he didn't call chances are he would have ratted on Saul). This wasn't some master plan. This was Saul knowing how to read someone, and being over confident he could fix it all. Just like he was being over confident sticking around in that house and stealing the watches. Had he not taken those, the home owner would have called in the break in. But nothing would have been missing. (Just stolen data no one would be aware of). So no evidence of any crime at all.

They're really laying it on that Saul just can't help himself and has an addiction to pushing things too far. Always. In every scenario. A chimp with a machine gun.
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Re: Better Call Saul (S6E012) - "Waterworks" - 8/8/22

Originally Posted by Decker
No way that was intentional. He just panicked and freaked out.
Kind of ironic that if Saul had just walked out of the house and gotten into the taxi, nobody would have been any wiser. The police were just parking there, and someone leaving a house and getting into a waiting taxi wouldn't have been suspicious. (Unless the homeowner reported a burglary and the police had the taxi's license plate on their dashcam. In which case, Jeff and Saul are fucked either way.)

Are we to assume that Jeff used Saul as the defense attorney in Albuquerque that Marion paid so much for? If so it's weird it was never mentioned. If not, why didn't Jeff use him? He certainly knew who he was.
Back when Gene was coming back from the hospital in Jeff's taxi, he recognized Saul Goodman from his tv ads. Presumably, Saul Goodman was one of those lawyers that floods the local stations with corny, attention-getting ads.
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Re: Better Call Saul (S6E012) - "Waterworks" - 8/8/22

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Ahh, I had the timeline wrong. I was thinking the divorce papers were being signed after he had the mansion and was binging on prostitutes, so several years after she had walked out.
It is months if not years. We don't know the actual time of that scene. But the marriage effectively ends when Kim leaves. And my point is that they only lived together as Husband and Wife for 7 weeks of elapsed time (from Wexler V Goodman to Fun and Games). It just took Kim years to serve divorce papers.

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