Go Back  DVD Talk Forum > Entertainment Discussions > TV Talk
Reload this Page >

Allen v. Farrow (HBO Max) - 4-Part Docuseries, Premiers 2/21/21

TV Talk Talk about Shows on TV

Allen v. Farrow (HBO Max) - 4-Part Docuseries, Premiers 2/21/21

Old 02-24-21, 09:10 AM
  #26  
DVD Talk Godfather & 2020 TOTY Winner
Thread Starter
 
Decker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 1999
Location: Vegas, Baby!
Posts: 61,626
Received 3,062 Likes on 2,027 Posts
Re: Allen v. Farrow (HBO Max) - 4-Part Docuseries, Premiers 2/21/21

That's a five part tweet that doesn't actually state anything. If he has exculpatory evidence in the court transcripts he should say what it is rather than hint around something unsaid. Whatever he has or thinks he has, the filmmakers aren't going to respond other than to say that they stand by their work. So why is Weide playing coy? We shall see...
Old 02-24-21, 09:18 AM
  #27  
Moderator
 
dex14's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 39,114
Likes: 0
Received 2,745 Likes on 1,877 Posts
Re: Allen v. Farrow (HBO Max) - 4-Part Docuseries, Premiers 2/21/21

HBO says that six Woody Allen films available for streaming on HBO Max will remain on the service after some online called out the streamer for hosting those films alongside the new docuseries “Allen v. Farrow.”

“These titles will remain available in the library to allow viewers to make their own informed decisions about screening the work,” HBO said in a statement to TheWrap.
Old 02-24-21, 10:03 AM
  #28  
DVD Talk Ultimate Edition
 
The Questyen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Arizona
Posts: 4,787
Received 351 Likes on 259 Posts
Re: Allen v. Farrow (HBO Max) - 4-Part Docuseries, Premiers 2/21/21

Originally Posted by TomOpus View Post
Well, when Woody is asked about a response, he (his lawyer) just issues a statement.
Yep. Why would we give the benefit of the doubt to a guy who dated and married his own teenage stepdaughter. It's not a huge leap to believe this guy could also be a child molester.
The following users liked this post:
Hubbub (03-19-21)
Old 02-24-21, 10:06 AM
  #29  
Moderator
 
dex14's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 39,114
Likes: 0
Received 2,745 Likes on 1,877 Posts
Re: Allen v. Farrow (HBO Max) - 4-Part Docuseries, Premiers 2/21/21

Originally Posted by The Questyen View Post
Yep. Why would we give the benefit of the doubt to a guy who dated and married his own teenage stepdaughter. It's not a huge leap to believe this guy could also be a child molester.
She wasn’t his step daughter.
Old 02-24-21, 10:22 AM
  #30  
DVD Talk Godfather & 2020 TOTY Winner
Thread Starter
 
Decker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 1999
Location: Vegas, Baby!
Posts: 61,626
Received 3,062 Likes on 2,027 Posts
Re: Allen v. Farrow (HBO Max) - 4-Part Docuseries, Premiers 2/21/21

Originally Posted by dex14 View Post
She wasn’t his step daughter.
And she wasn't a teenager.

But other than that, you are spot-on Q
Old 02-24-21, 10:23 AM
  #31  
DVD Talk Ultimate Edition
 
The Questyen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Arizona
Posts: 4,787
Received 351 Likes on 259 Posts
Re: Allen v. Farrow (HBO Max) - 4-Part Docuseries, Premiers 2/21/21

Originally Posted by dex14 View Post
She wasn’t his step daughter.
He was her step father figure since he was dating her mother. The fact that you need that distinction to be made is pretty gross.
Old 02-24-21, 10:28 AM
  #32  
Moderator
 
dex14's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 39,114
Likes: 0
Received 2,745 Likes on 1,877 Posts
Re: Allen v. Farrow (HBO Max) - 4-Part Docuseries, Premiers 2/21/21

Originally Posted by The Questyen View Post
He was her step father figure since he was dating her mother. The fact that you need that distinction to be made is pretty gross.
No, he wasn’t. And that’s from her own words.
Soon-Yi is adamant that Allen was not a stand-in father to her: “I already had a father,” she points out. “He was André Previn, and Mia never married Woody, nor did they ever live together. He was my mother’s boyfriend, plain and simple. He was like a separate entity. I thought Mia had pulled the wool over his eyes by getting him to believe that she was such a great mother. I felt he was not very observant, not worth getting to know. This is why it’s the biggest shock to me that we ended up together.”
You can read her own perspective on things: https://www.vulture.com/2018/09/soon...in-speaks.html
Old 02-24-21, 10:33 AM
  #33  
DVD Talk Godfather & 2020 TOTY Winner
Thread Starter
 
Decker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 1999
Location: Vegas, Baby!
Posts: 61,626
Received 3,062 Likes on 2,027 Posts
Re: Allen v. Farrow (HBO Max) - 4-Part Docuseries, Premiers 2/21/21

Originally Posted by The Questyen View Post
He was her step father figure since he was dating her mother. The fact that you need that distinction to be made is pretty gross.
So is your assertion that since Woody got into a sexual relationship with his girlfriend's ADULT daughter that he must have molested his own six year old daughter.
I am not saying that it DIDN'T happen, I am waiting to see what is alledged here. But the assumption you made is why I can't totally believe Mia. Of course she was furious and hell bent on ruining Woody's career and life after that.
I can't tell you how many times I have seen a recently divorced couple accusing either that father or the wife's boyfriend of sexually molesting the daughter in joint custody. It's a frequent occurrence.
Old 02-24-21, 11:05 AM
  #34  
DVD Talk Ultimate Edition
 
The Questyen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Arizona
Posts: 4,787
Received 351 Likes on 259 Posts
Re: Allen v. Farrow (HBO Max) - 4-Part Docuseries, Premiers 2/21/21

I'm not alleging anything. There was a question of why Woody wasn't getting the benefit of the doubt and I explained that once you start dating the daughter of your girlfriend for ten years as soon as she is legal you should expect that people are going to consider you to be a gross human being and suspect you of other things.

And to answer Dex: Soon Yi saying he wasn't a father figure and nothing happened until she was a adult is meaningless. She was in love with him of course she is not going to say things happened that would get him in trouble.

I wasn't there so I'm not stating anything as fact but if you guys aren't creeped the fuck out by an old guy dating a woman for 10 years and then moving on to her daughter who he knew since she was a child I don't what to say to you.
The following 2 users liked this post by The Questyen:
Boondock Saint (02-24-21), Hubbub (03-19-21)
Old 02-24-21, 11:13 AM
  #35  
DVD Talk Godfather & 2020 TOTY Winner
Thread Starter
 
Decker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 1999
Location: Vegas, Baby!
Posts: 61,626
Received 3,062 Likes on 2,027 Posts
Re: Allen v. Farrow (HBO Max) - 4-Part Docuseries, Premiers 2/21/21

Originally Posted by The Questyen View Post

And to answer Dex: Soon Yi saying he wasn't a father figure and nothing happened until she was a adult is meaningless. She was in love with him of course she is not going to say things happened that would get him in trouble.

I wasn't there so I'm not stating anything as fact but if you guys aren't creeped the fuck out by an old guy dating a woman for 10 years and then moving on to her daughter who he knew since she was a child I don't what to say to you.
Here's what Moses Farrow says on the subject :

Even people who doubt Dylan’s claims of assault, often cling to Woody’s relationship with Soon-Yi as justification for their skepticism about him. The public attacks on Soon-Yi by complete strangers still stagger me, as does the general misinformation that so many people consider fact. She is not Woody’s daughter (adopted, step, or otherwise), nor is she developmentally challenged. (She got a master’s degree in special education from Columbia University!) And the claim that they started dating while she was underage is totally false.

In truth, Woody and Soon-Yi rarely even spoke during her childhood. It was my mother who first suggested, when Soon-Yi was 20, that Woody reach out and spend time with her. He agreed and started taking her to Knicks games. That’s how their romance started. Yes, it was unorthodox, uncomfortable, disruptive to our family and it hurt my mother terribly. But the relationship itself was not nearly as devastating to our family as my mother’s insistence on making this betrayal the center of all our lives from then on.
Old 02-24-21, 12:15 PM
  #36  
DVD Talk Ultimate Edition
 
The Questyen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Arizona
Posts: 4,787
Received 351 Likes on 259 Posts
Re: Allen v. Farrow (HBO Max) - 4-Part Docuseries, Premiers 2/21/21

Originally Posted by Decker View Post
Here's what Moses Farrow says on the subject :
Nothing about that statement makes it any less disgusting.
Old 02-24-21, 03:26 PM
  #37  
DVD Talk Godfather & 2020 TOTY Winner
Thread Starter
 
Decker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 1999
Location: Vegas, Baby!
Posts: 61,626
Received 3,062 Likes on 2,027 Posts
Re: Allen v. Farrow (HBO Max) - 4-Part Docuseries, Premiers 2/21/21

Originally Posted by The Questyen View Post
Nothing about that statement makes it any less disgusting.
Well if your point has morphed in the course of a few posts from "He had an affair and married his teenage step-daughter, so it's easy to believe that he also molested his six-year old daughter" all the way to "Yeah but he's still a creep and an awful boyfriend" -- then yeah sure, I guess we're on the same page now.
Old 02-24-21, 04:08 PM
  #38  
DVD Talk Ultimate Edition
 
The Questyen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Arizona
Posts: 4,787
Received 351 Likes on 259 Posts
Re: Allen v. Farrow (HBO Max) - 4-Part Docuseries, Premiers 2/21/21

Originally Posted by Decker View Post
Well if your point has morphed in the course of a few posts from "He had an affair and married his teenage step-daughter, so it's easy to believe that he also molested his six-year old daughter" all the way to "Yeah but he's still a creep and an awful boyfriend" -- then yeah sure, I guess we're on the same page now.
My point hasn't changed or morphed at all. You guys keep posting statements to try and counter what I'm saying and I keep saying those statements (true or not) don't change my opinion on him in the slightest. He had an affair with the daughter of the woman he had dated for 10 years and known since she was a child. I can't imagine dating a woman for 10 years who had children and not being at least some sort of father figure to them. So yes technically she was not his stepdaughter but for all intents and purposes she was. Obviously so he doesn't get labelled a pedophile him and her are going to say everything didn't happen until she was an adult no matter what the truth is. He is obviously a very disturbed person so if someone comes to me after everything in his past and says this person also molested his child I'm going to not be surprised by that.
Old 02-25-21, 04:15 PM
  #39  
DVD Talk Special Edition
 
Runaway's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2020
Posts: 1,020
Received 202 Likes on 164 Posts
Re: Allen v. Farrow (HBO Max) - 4-Part Docuseries, Premiers 2/21/21

Originally Posted by The Questyen View Post
He is obviously a very disturbed person so if someone comes to me after everything in his past and says this person also molested his child I'm going to not be surprised by that.
Calling him disturbed is your personal assessement, so there is a leap from having a weird "unorthodox, uncomfortable, disruptive" relationship to being a child molester. I do agree, that his relationship to his wife is the reason why people don't give him the benefit of the doubt, but that says a lot more about those people than about Woody Allen.
I don't know what to believe but my assessement of gim being a weirdo is not enough to give me a reason to believe he is a pedophile. Not being accused by anyone else in such a long time, gives me more reason to believe he isn't. I'm not an expert on the matter, but my wife worked as a proscutor and all cases with child abuse included repeat offenders or misunderstandings.
Old 02-25-21, 05:18 PM
  #40  
DVD Talk Legend
 
Ash Ketchum's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 12,266
Received 162 Likes on 123 Posts
Re: Allen v. Farrow (HBO Max) - 4-Part Docuseries, Premiers 2/21/21

I haven't seen the documentary, but a friend's rave review of it on her blog compelled me to research the subject and I found this impassioned defense of Allen, published two years ago by a devoted fan of his, that brings up something that I'd never really encountered in detail before: a discussion of his current family situation with Soon-yi and their two adopted daughters. What I found eerie was how closely the older daughter resembles Soon-yi and how the younger one has some resemblance to Dylan as seen in pictures included in the piece. Coincidence or not? I'm not saying this means anything and I'm not sure how all this bears on the original accusation other than that on the surface, Woody and Soon-yi seem to have had a happy marriage for 20-odd years and loving daughters, with the older one defending him publicly. If there's any reason to dispute this I haven't seen it. Despite the accusations and the Connecticut custody case, the New York court allowed the couple to adopt two daughters. I'm guessing the documentary doesn't explore this although it seems to me it was worth addressing. I'm not defending Woody or making a case either way, just adding something to the discussion.

https://levine2001.medium.com/the-wo...s-1e41d7c0511a
Old 02-25-21, 08:01 PM
  #41  
DVD Talk Ultimate Edition
 
rocket1312's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Posts: 4,639
Likes: 0
Received 522 Likes on 366 Posts
Re: Allen v. Farrow (HBO Max) - 4-Part Docuseries, Premiers 2/21/21

Originally Posted by TomOpus View Post
Well, when Woody is asked about a response, he (his lawyer) just issues a statement.
Woody's book that came out last year includes a pretty lengthy teardown of all the accusations levied against him by Farrow. I realize the vast majority of the public have not read his book, but it's not like he's never responded publicly.

He also acknowledges his relationship with soon yi as the betrayal it was, but he also points out that they love each other and have been together for 30 years so what are you going to do.
Old 02-26-21, 02:41 PM
  #42  
Dan
DVD Talk Hero
 
Dan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: In the straps of boots
Posts: 26,442
Received 788 Likes on 569 Posts
Re: Allen v. Farrow (HBO Max) - 4-Part Docuseries, Premiers 2/21/21

I haven't watched the show, but plan to.
but after all these years, this is pretty much where I'm at on the Woody Allen discourse, and I have zero love for his films (I don't hate them. I just don't care about his movies that much at all)







The following users liked this post:
spainlinx0 (03-02-21)
Old 02-27-21, 08:59 AM
  #43  
DVD Talk Godfather & 2020 TOTY Winner
Thread Starter
 
Decker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 1999
Location: Vegas, Baby!
Posts: 61,626
Received 3,062 Likes on 2,027 Posts
Re: Allen v. Farrow (HBO Max) - 4-Part Docuseries, Premiers 2/21/21

Old 03-01-21, 12:13 PM
  #44  
DVD Talk Godfather & 2020 TOTY Winner
Thread Starter
 
Decker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 1999
Location: Vegas, Baby!
Posts: 61,626
Received 3,062 Likes on 2,027 Posts
Re: Allen v. Farrow (HBO Max) - 4-Part Docuseries, Premiers 2/21/21

As promised, Weide delivers his rebuttal to the toy train story told by Dylan starting in 2014. It pretty much discredits that part of her testimony.


BTW : I watched part 2 last night. It looks really bad for Woody. Even the excerpts from his own autobiography just make him look very bad and callous.
Old 03-01-21, 01:28 PM
  #45  
DVD Talk Ultimate Edition
 
rocket1312's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Posts: 4,639
Likes: 0
Received 522 Likes on 366 Posts
Re: Allen v. Farrow (HBO Max) - 4-Part Docuseries, Premiers 2/21/21

I watched part 2 last night. It looks really bad for Woody. Even the excerpts from his own autobiography just make him look very bad and callous.
I haven't seen the documentary, so I don't know what passages they're using, but I have read the book. My feelings reading it were that Woody does a pretty reasonable job of debunking the accusations, BUT, he also comes off as a crappy father and kind of clueless when it comes to being an adult with actual family responsibilities. I don't think he ever really wanted kids (at least not back then) and his relationship with Farrow was odd to say the least. It doesn't surprise me that they could pull some passages that would help the doc.
Old 03-01-21, 03:39 PM
  #46  
DVD Talk Hero
 
TomOpus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Kansas City, MO
Posts: 37,244
Received 703 Likes on 508 Posts
Re: Allen v. Farrow (HBO Max) - 4-Part Docuseries, Premiers 2/21/21

I didn't know this documentary is base on a book. What book are you referring to?
Old 03-01-21, 03:41 PM
  #47  
DVD Talk Godfather & 2020 TOTY Winner
Thread Starter
 
Decker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 1999
Location: Vegas, Baby!
Posts: 61,626
Received 3,062 Likes on 2,027 Posts
Re: Allen v. Farrow (HBO Max) - 4-Part Docuseries, Premiers 2/21/21

Originally Posted by TomOpus View Post
I didn't know this documentary is base on a book. What book are you referring to?
It's not based on a book. Instead of interviews with Woody Allen though, they are using excerpts from his audiobook autobiography.
Old 03-07-21, 11:33 PM
  #48  
DVD Talk Special Edition
 
alfredog1976's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Orange County, CA
Posts: 1,353
Received 33 Likes on 24 Posts
Re: Allen v. Farrow (HBO Max) - 4-Part Docuseries, Premiers 2/21/21

Just saw episode 3...holy shit Woody Allen is such a shitbag, reminds me of another (Orange) shitbag who also likes to distort truth...
Old 03-08-21, 01:27 AM
  #49  
DVD Talk Hall of Fame
 
Paul_SD's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Hiking the Sisyphian trail
Posts: 8,483
Received 52 Likes on 43 Posts
Re: Allen v. Farrow (HBO Max) - 4-Part Docuseries, Premiers 2/21/21

Haven't/ won't/ can't watch the series.

I just thought it was interesting that I ran across this doc the other day.

I think it was produced for the Criterion release of Rosemary's Baby. I don't have my copy handy to check.

What I found interesting is- within the first five minutes you can watch Mia Farrow wax rhapsodically about a man who drugged and then anally raped a 13 year old- a narrative of which there is absolutely no dispute.

But the film made her theatrical career so...

Old 03-08-21, 02:07 AM
  #50  
Senior Member
 
Boondock Saint's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Burbank, California
Posts: 870
Received 22 Likes on 21 Posts
Re: Allen v. Farrow (HBO Max) - 4-Part Docuseries, Premiers 2/21/21

Not sure how anyone could defend him after this episode. Yeesh.

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service - Do Not Sell My Personal Information -

Copyright © 2021 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.