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Old 12-22-19, 01:49 PM
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Re: SNL 12/21/19 (S45E10) -- H: Eddie Murphy -- MG: Lizzo

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I dont know how hes going to be able to do a Netflix special because hes admitted you have to go back to clubs and try out material and evolve all the bits just like football team practicing.

How can Eddie Murphy go back to a small club in 2020 in the age of smartphones and try out material? If he shows up to any club, it will blow up Twitter! They will scrutinize every joke before his special so he cant work out his material even like a Chappelle can (who is the best now).

Murphy admitted on Fallon this week he has not started going back to clubs to try new material. He admitted on Seinfelds Netflix show thats why he got out in 1987. His unfinished bits were being leaked as he got crap for a Joan Rivers dead husband joke he did at a club he was still working out.

I hope Im wrong but hes almost too big a Star to come back the way he wants.

He would have to do the Chappelle and Rock thing and have everyone's cell phone taken away/put in one of those things so people can't get audio of his stuff. I'm not sure how that would be possible at small clubs, but they could do it.
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Re: SNL 12/21/19 (S45E10) -- H: Eddie Murphy -- MG: Lizzo

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As someone who doesn't have any nostalgia for Eddie Murphy on SNL I thought it was one of the worst episodes of the season. Pretty much everything involving old characters fell flat.
You and I already went over this back in the fall when this episode was first announced, but if it wasn't for those old characters, there literally would be no SNL today.

That said, I do wish they'd put more inspiration into the writing of the old characters. Having Buckwheat revealed as the Masked Singer was fine, but that was a minute into the sketch. The rest of the bit was just Eddie as Buckwheat mangling popular songs.
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Re: SNL 12/21/19 (S45E10) -- H: Eddie Murphy -- MG: Lizzo

The funniest thing they ever did about Buckwheat was when they had him killed off, profiling his "assassin" and how all the obvious signs he was going to do it were there. There doesn't seem to be a good way to revisit that.
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Re: SNL 12/21/19 (S45E10) -- H: Eddie Murphy -- MG: Lizzo

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That said, I do wish they'd put more inspiration into the writing of the old characters. Having Buckwheat revealed as the Masked Singer was fine, but that was a minute into the sketch. The rest of the bit was just Eddie as Buckwheat mangling popular songs.
It was obviously a riff on the "Buckwheat Sings" sketch from way back when, but the sketch went on too long, and it didn't really make much sense. Plus, you're never going to beat Fee Tines a Mady or Wookin' Pa Nub or whatever the hell he sang for Bette Davis Eyes.
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Re: SNL 12/21/19 (S45E10) -- H: Eddie Murphy -- MG: Lizzo

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The problem is Eddie Murphy is George Lucas (when Lucas started making the Prequels) and all his friends worship him cause he paved the way. Do you think Chris Rock or Chappelle are going to give him legit feedback, the same way nobody was honest with Lucas during the Prequels. Now if Richard Pryor or Red Foxx were still alive, thats different cause they were idols of Murphy and would call it as they see it.
Wow, funny that George Lucas was exactly the failure to solicit honest feedback about his ideas that I was thinking about when I posted.

But to your reply, that's why I said Murphy would have to solicit the honest feedback. I don't know him, so I don't know if he could do it, or if the comedians who revere him would be willing to do it. But I stand by my observation that if Murphy is unable to work out an act in front of audiences, there are a lot of talented people who would be eager to help him.
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Re: SNL 12/21/19 (S45E10) -- H: Eddie Murphy -- MG: Lizzo

Originally Posted by Paff View Post
You and I already went over this back in the fall when this episode was first announced, but if it wasn't for those old characters, there literally would be no SNL today.

That said, I do wish they'd put more inspiration into the writing of the old characters. Having Buckwheat revealed as the Masked Singer was fine, but that was a minute into the sketch. The rest of the bit was just Eddie as Buckwheat mangling popular songs.
That was the whole bit 35 years ago, and people loved it.
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That was the whole bit 35 years ago, and people loved it.
That one was a pre-taped commercial that got in and out in about a minute. The brevity was a key to why it is still revered, and why I personally thought the skit last night didn't work.
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That one was a pre-taped commercial that got in and out in about a minute. The brevity was a key to why it is still revered, and why I personally thought the skit last night didn't work.
If you asked anyone old enough to even know that Eddie Murphy played Buckwheat on SNL, and asked them to describe the bit in 10 words or less, they would say, "Buckwheat sings popular songs but you can't understand any lyrics."
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You and I already went over this back in the fall when this episode was first announced, but if it wasn't for those old characters, there literally would be no SNL today.
That has zero relevance to whether or not the episode was good or not which is the only thing I care about.
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I would be interested to hear anyone under 30 and how they feel about Eddie Murphy? Im a Gen-Xer so he is God to my generation, but do millennials or Gen Z even know these skits? Heck, many people probably remember him from his 90s stuff like The Nutty Professor and Dr Doolittle. The last time he was king of comedy was 30+ years ago so Id be interested to see what young people think of him now other than hearing old foggies like me talk about his early work?
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Re: SNL 12/21/19 (S45E10) -- H: Eddie Murphy -- MG: Lizzo

Originally Posted by Count Dooku View Post
If you asked anyone old enough to even know that Eddie Murphy played Buckwheat on SNL, and asked them to describe the bit in 10 words or less, they would say, "Buckwheat sings popular songs but you can't understand any lyrics."
No question. And it's why...to this day...it has forever effected the way I sing along to Three Times a Lady and Lookin' for Love (much like how the Naked Gun forever changed the National Anthem). But part of what made the original bit work so well is that in got in and out in a what did I just watch sort of way. Unfortunately the skit last night was live and it kind of left Eddie hanging out there a bit. I thought it was the least effective of his returning characters.

Fortunately I thought Mr Robinson and Gumby killed (even without green face), and I thought Eddie was truly fantastic in the more original material.
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Re: SNL 12/21/19 (S45E10) -- H: Eddie Murphy -- MG: Lizzo

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I would be interested to hear anyone under 30 and how they feel about Eddie Murphy? Im a Gen-Xer so he is God to my generation, but do millennials or Gen Z even know these skits? Heck, many people probably remember him from his 90s stuff like The Nutty Professor and Dr Doolittle. The last time he was king of comedy was 30+ years ago so Id be interested to see what young people think of him now other than hearing old foggies like me talk about his early work?
I know one 16 year old that had no idea who Eddie Murphy was as an actor/comedian, but did understand that he was famous since he was the voice of Donkey from Shrek.
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That has zero relevance to whether or not the episode was good or not which is the only thing I care about.
Velvet Jones was a waste no matter what, but the comedy of Mr Robinson, Gumby, and Buckwheat could only be completely understood and appreciated if you were familiar with the Murphy's past work on the show. Also, the show was playing the nostalgia card, so if you were just too young that meant one level of meaning was just lost on you.
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(CNN) A spokesman for Bill Cosby has fired back at Eddie Murphy after the comedian made jokes at Cosby's expense during his opening monologue on Saturday Night Live.
In a statement released Sunday, Cosby's spokesman Andrew Wyatt criticized Murphy for the jokes, saying it was Cosby who "broke color barriers in the Entertainment Industry" so that Murphy and other comedians like Dave Chappelle and Kevin Hart could perform.
Murphy's jokes were "disparaging," the statement said, adding, "One would think that Mr. Murphy was given his freedom to leave the plantation, so that he could make his own decisions; but he decided to sell himself back to being a Hollywood Slave."
"Remember, Mr. Murphy, that Bill Cosby became legendary because he used comedy to humanize all races, religions and genders; but your attacking Mr. Cosby helps you embark on just becoming click bait," Wyatt's statement said.
"Hopefully, you will be amenable to having a meeting of the minds conversation," the statement said, "in order to discuss how we can use our collective platforms to enhance Black people rather than bringing all of us down together."


So this guy wants Murphy to go visit Bill Cosby in prison, so they can discuss improving the representation of "Black people" on TV?
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Old 12-22-19, 10:54 PM
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Re: SNL 12/21/19 (S45E10) -- H: Eddie Murphy -- MG: Lizzo

Or maybe Eddie could start hamming it up in Jello commercials.
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Re: SNL 12/21/19 (S45E10) -- H: Eddie Murphy -- MG: Lizzo

I don't care what y'all say, I LOVED it. Was total "fan service: for me and I enjoyed it so much. It's so friggin' cool have Eddie be funny again

And Lizzo was as amazing as I expected.
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(CNN) A spokesman for Bill Cosby has fired back at Eddie Murphy after the comedian made jokes at Cosby's expense during his opening monologue on Saturday Night Live.
In a statement released Sunday, Cosby's spokesman Andrew Wyatt criticized Murphy for the jokes, saying it was Cosby who "broke color barriers in the Entertainment Industry" so that Murphy and other comedians like Dave Chappelle and Kevin Hart could perform.
Murphy's jokes were "disparaging," the statement said, adding, "One would think that Mr. Murphy was given his freedom to leave the plantation, so that he could make his own decisions; but he decided to sell himself back to being a Hollywood Slave."
"Remember, Mr. Murphy, that Bill Cosby became legendary because he used comedy to humanize all races, religions and genders; but your attacking Mr. Cosby helps you embark on just becoming click bait," Wyatt's statement said.
"Hopefully, you will be amenable to having a meeting of the minds conversation," the statement said, "in order to discuss how we can use our collective platforms to enhance Black people rather than bringing all of us down together."
Yea, but Cosby raped women... so who now gives a shit that he broke color barriers?
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Re: SNL 12/21/19 (S45E10) -- H: Eddie Murphy -- MG: Lizzo

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I would be interested to hear anyone under 30 and how they feel about Eddie Murphy? Im a Gen-Xer so he is God to my generation, but do millennials or Gen Z even know these skits? Heck, many people probably remember him from his 90s stuff like The Nutty Professor and Dr Doolittle. The last time he was king of comedy was 30+ years ago so Id be interested to see what young people think of him now other than hearing old foggies like me talk about his early work?
I'm going to go with a big no here.

Probably nobody born after 1990 would get the context of "Buckwheat" or "Gumby." I can remember seeing the Little Rascals/Our Gang serials on tv in the late 70s/early 80s (or whenever they ran) but I don't think they've been shown much since, and by the 80s there was a ton of childrens' programming being produced, so it probably fell down the memory hole. And I learned about Gumby from watching Eddie do the character on SNL when I was a kid. I didn't realize it was an actual cartoon (claymaton) character and just thought it was some random thing Murphy was doing.

And when I was a kid, I didn't know about The Honeymooners either, when he was doing the Ed Norton-Ralph Kramden bit in his standup comedy. It was still funny, but at the time I didn't understand the cultural reference.
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Re: SNL 12/21/19 (S45E10) -- H: Eddie Murphy -- MG: Lizzo

I can't stand Lizzo and her fat dancers and this song is like nails on a chalkboard


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That was the funniest SNL from beginning to end in a decade...heck, maybe TWO decades.
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Originally Posted by Josh-da-man View Post
And I learned about Gumby from watching Eddie do the character on SNL when I was a kid. I didn't realize it was an actual cartoon (claymaton) character and just thought it was some random thing Murphy was doing.
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I never realized the Gumby personality was taken straight from Jackie Mason (Murphy stated this in an old interview I saw of him). That was the whole joke is that he was this angry jewish comic dressed up in a Gumby outfit, as that is sort of geared to my parents generation. I can't imagine any kid under 35 remotely getting the joke or even knowing who Jackie Mason was.
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Re: SNL 12/21/19 (S45E10) -- H: Eddie Murphy -- MG: Lizzo

I was a huge Jackie Mason fan as a kid but watching Gumby this weekend, it truly was the first time I made the connection. I had a great laugh about it as I watched and realized it in real time.
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Re: SNL 12/21/19 (S45E10) -- H: Eddie Murphy -- MG: Lizzo

I loved this episode, and loved the callback to some of Murphy's funnier characters. To me, though, the family Christmas digital short was the best part of the show.
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Hilarious sketch that was cut for time...

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Originally Posted by Shannon Nutt View Post
That was the funniest SNL from beginning to end in a decade...heck, maybe TWO decades.
It was top tier SNL. Usually there are a few consistently good episodes per year. I watch the rest because it's cultural. Kinda the same reason people go to church.

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