I think it's Time for Everyone to go to Short 10-15 Ep Seasons
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I think it's Time for Everyone to go to Short 10-15 Ep Seasons
DC Universe, Streaming Services and some British TV series have really made me really want more shows that do short 10-15 ep seasons. I know that means less work for people on the shows but then again, maybe that opens them up to work on more shows?
Either way, I see where short season are good safety net against long drawn out story lines and filler eps. 20+ Eps per season works for a few show but not most.
Either way, I see where short season are good safety net against long drawn out story lines and filler eps. 20+ Eps per season works for a few show but not most.
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I would say 10-15 hours rather than episodes. Usually a 22 minute comedy can do more episodes, but I agree that most shows start dragging after that amount. Hell, I would say the Netflix Marvel shows still had too much padding for the shorter episode counts.
Of course, this is always dependent on how they can tell a story. I like that Amazon and Netflix have opened up the episode length requirements since they don't have to deal with broadcast times.
Of course, this is always dependent on how they can tell a story. I like that Amazon and Netflix have opened up the episode length requirements since they don't have to deal with broadcast times.
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Most already do. It's the major networks that do more and even they are starting to gradually change, sans their staples.
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Yeah, I think the Good Place has like 13 episodes a season; it definitely makes for tighter plotting on serialized shows, but for other shows I'm sure it makes more sense to get as many episodes as possible in for syndication.
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My perfect TV show:
5 seasons
10 episodes a season
1/2 hour episodes, unless it's a real indepth Drama like Game of Thrones or The Americans where the show needs 60 minutes per episode to tell it's story.
With the amount of TV shows to watch these days, I am more apt to stick with a 1/2 hour show than an hour show (unless I really love it).
5 seasons
10 episodes a season
1/2 hour episodes, unless it's a real indepth Drama like Game of Thrones or The Americans where the show needs 60 minutes per episode to tell it's story.
With the amount of TV shows to watch these days, I am more apt to stick with a 1/2 hour show than an hour show (unless I really love it).
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Not only this (the episode length) but Cobra Kai has proven you can make GREAT drama in a 30-minute show - all the fat is trimmed out of those episodes and they just "pop". Then again, sooner or later hour dramas on commercial TV are going to run about that length anyway...what is it down to now, about 40 minutes for an hour?
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Not only this (the episode length) but Cobra Kai has proven you can make GREAT drama in a 30-minute show - all the fat is trimmed out of those episodes and they just "pop". Then again, sooner or later hour dramas on commercial TV are going to run about that length anyway...what is it down to now, about 40 minutes for an hour?
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I suggested this to a friend a long time ago and he thought I was onto a great idea. Particularly, that shows should be single-season, because then you could attract big name talent, I.E., movie stars. They wouldn't be locked into any extended contract. This seems to already be happening, like with the recent Fosse/Verdon that featured two actors who mostly work in movies.
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I lot of what I watch is currently doing this aside from the CW shows I watch. And some of those could either get shorter seasons or stop having one bad guy stick around all year as it just drags things down unless it's good and sometimes it is. Mostly want shorter seasons so I can have a tighter story and have two shows for the time of one normal network show.
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Personally I think that is a short sighted approach. It used to be shows ran for 32 to 39 episodes per season. Under your plan that would be the equivalent to 3 or 4 full seasons. It's much easier to follow a story when there's little down time between the seasons. At 10 episodes the networks will have to find 5 shows to fill in 1 time slot. Different actors, all those sets, that's a lot of money. If a show lasts most of the year the costs would be cheaper for 1 show with a short filler than 5 complete shows. With 5 shows per time slot and all of the competition from cable and streaming that's a lot of shows. Some of those shows wouldn't survive due to the numbers. A longer show would have time to catch and show its worth.
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Personally I think that is a short sighted approach. It used to be shows ran for 32 to 39 episodes per season. Under your plan that would be the equivalent to 3 or 4 full seasons. It's much easier to follow a story when there's little down time between the seasons. At 10 episodes the networks will have to find 5 shows to fill in 1 time slot. Different actors, all those sets, that's a lot of money. If a show lasts most of the year the costs would be cheaper for 1 show with a short filler than 5 complete shows. With 5 shows per time slot and all of the competition from cable and streaming that's a lot of shows. Some of those shows wouldn't survive due to the numbers. A longer show would have time to catch and show its worth.
It should also allow for momentum to pick up after the season is finished, via word of mouth or whatever, with reruns or a release on a streaming platform/physical media.
I'm not sure how having a longer show will give it time to catch on, when the networks will pull the plug well before 10 episodes anyway if it's struggling. I think that's why shows like the Office and even Seinfeld have like shortened first seasons.
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Shorter seasons almost by default cut out any special standalone episodes, holiday episodes or any extended focus on minor supporting characters. It's harder to organically develop fan-favorite characters that weren't intended to be popular in the first place.
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I think there's something to the idea that 26 may be too much, but 13 seems to be too little.
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Personally I think that is a short sighted approach. It used to be shows ran for 32 to 39 episodes per season. Under your plan that would be the equivalent to 3 or 4 full seasons. It's much easier to follow a story when there's little down time between the seasons. At 10 episodes the networks will have to find 5 shows to fill in 1 time slot. Different actors, all those sets, that's a lot of money. If a show lasts most of the year the costs would be cheaper for 1 show with a short filler than 5 complete shows. With 5 shows per time slot and all of the competition from cable and streaming that's a lot of shows. Some of those shows wouldn't survive due to the numbers. A longer show would have time to catch and show its worth.
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Re: I think it's Time for Everyone to go to Short 10-15 Ep Seasons
Maybe this thinking needs to change then. Focus on the overall show, efficiency of the story in a smaller ep order, and leave creating fan favorites to...well... the fans.
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I'd like to go back to long seasons where it isn't just one long story. I want like 20-24 individual stories again. TV was much more entertaining back when that was the MO.
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Aren't basically all procedurals like that, though? There are still a ton of shows that are individual episodes, it's just that it doesn't garner that much discussion around here (well, not much garners discussion anyway... )
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Personally I think it just depends on the type of show. If it's a more serialized show I think it can be beneficial to keep things short and sweet. Some shows I still like the episodic format and I think some can still be longer and work fine. Like certain network dramas or comedies I think are still fine with a longer season.
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DC Universe, Streaming Services and some British TV series have really made me really want more shows that do short 10-15 ep seasons. I know that means less work for people on the shows but then again, maybe that opens them up to work on more shows?
Either way, I see where short season are good safety net against long drawn out story lines and filler eps. 20+ Eps per season works for a few show but not most.
Either way, I see where short season are good safety net against long drawn out story lines and filler eps. 20+ Eps per season works for a few show but not most.
It means broadcast networks would have to advertise twice as many shows each season
It's not gonna happen. The broadcast networks want to pump out as many episodes of shows they own to sell them as fast as possible. Short season can be great, but it leaves more time for the viewers to not give a shit when the show returns 9 months later.
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Personally I think it just depends on the type of show. If it's a more serialized show I think it can be beneficial to keep things short and sweet. Some shows I still like the episodic format and I think some can still be longer and work fine. Like certain network dramas or comedies I think are still fine with a longer season.
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Re: I think it's Time for Everyone to go to Short 10-15 Ep Seasons
It's not gonna happen. The broadcast networks want to pump out as many episodes of shows they own to sell them as fast as possible. Short season can be great, but it leaves more time for the viewers to not give a shit when the show returns 9 months later.
You sure? Several post say more or less say "It's already happening". Sooooo... And as far as forgetting shows in 9mo, hell... mid-season breaks are far more annoying. But that said, HBO has proven people don't forget GOOD SHOWS even when the break between seasons is long. Game of Thrones, Westworld, etc...
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If you're wanting one season-long story, yes 22 episodes is too much. But I also think a 10-15 episode story is too long. If you want to tell a long story, do a movie. Or if it's too long for a movie, you got a four episode miniseries. Otherwise, TV series should be for premises where you can tell many more shorter stories using the characters and setup. A TV series shouldn't just be a super long movie.
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What I'd like to see are more mini-arcs, running no more than 2-4 episodes at a time within the greater season. Not every plot needs 12 episodes to tell a tight story.
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Seasons 2, 3, and 4 of Babylon 5 seemed too short at 22 episodes because there was so much great stuff going on.
DS9 had 26 episode seasons that felt just right.
Better Call Saul feels too short at 10-12 episodes per season.
Daredevil felt like it should have had 18-20 episode seasons.
I'm not a fan of shorter seasons at all. I don't want to watch TV for the ADD generation.
DS9 had 26 episode seasons that felt just right.
Better Call Saul feels too short at 10-12 episodes per season.
Daredevil felt like it should have had 18-20 episode seasons.
I'm not a fan of shorter seasons at all. I don't want to watch TV for the ADD generation.
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Seasons 2, 3, and 4 of Babylon 5 seemed too short at 22 episodes because there was so much great stuff going on.
DS9 had 26 episode seasons that felt just right.
Better Call Saul feels too short at 10-12 episodes per season.
Daredevil felt like it should have had 18-20 episode seasons.
I'm not a fan of shorter seasons at all. I don't want to watch TV for the ADD generation.
DS9 had 26 episode seasons that felt just right.
Better Call Saul feels too short at 10-12 episodes per season.
Daredevil felt like it should have had 18-20 episode seasons.
I'm not a fan of shorter seasons at all. I don't want to watch TV for the ADD generation.