raven56706

this was shit. utter shit.

Night king was useless. All was dumb.

They left a lot of questions yet none of the actors will reprise their roles. utter shit

Noonan

Too late for that. They already have.

dom56

Hiro11

Soap opera level garbage. Obvious trope on obvious trope. Happily ever after moments that were seemingly created by someone who didn't watch any of the previous seasons. Mainly just boring. This final season has gone for flash over substance time and time again. Every "emotional beat" was pounded home Hollywood-style with zero subtlety. Every character was reduced to a shell of their former complexity. All the logic of this world that had been carefully built up of a decade was sacrificed immediately for the sake of plot expediency. What was once tension-filled, subtext laden political maneuvering with life or death consequences at the Small Council became cutesy bantering among the "good guys". Dragons are disposed of casually and then suddenly become invincible weapons of the apocalypse. Instead of the delightfully awful Joffrey we get cardboard pantomime "villains" like Euron. Sansa suddenly becomes "the smartest person I know" because the plot demanded it. Tyrion suddenly becomes the dumbest Hand in history because the plot demanded it. A novice like Sam becomes the Grand Maester of the Realm because the plot demanded it. Daenerys burns children because the plot demanded it.

I did like the resolution of Jon's arc, that was properly on tone

Also, to all of you who did like the final series here complaining about those of us who did not like the final series: people can not like things you like. It's not a personal attack.

dhmac

I think it's interesting how the show began as a conflict between the Starks and Lannisters, but ended with an alliance between a Stark and Lannister to rule (King Bran Stark and his Hand Tyrion Lannister)

Noonan

After 8 years of loving the show and giving it praise, I got called out for trolling and threadcrapping when I didn't like the NK episode a few weeks ago.

bunkaroo

Further, everyone on the council was either a castoff from their family or lowborn, The wheel is truly broken.

Regarding Jon, I assume everyone at the gathering who ultimately chose Bran were aware of Jon's lineage. Sansa, Arya and Tyrion all knew. Unless they all convened and agreed to not disseminate that info, one of them would surely have brought it up if they thought the others didn't know. I'm assuming Varys' notes did get out, and that given a Targaryen had just torched King's Landing, no one was in a hurry to have another Targaryen rule.

coli

I actually think that they believed that more episodes would have hurt the show for the last 2 seasons (I disagree with them). They would counter that if they did 7 more episodes for Seasons 7 & 8, than people would have complained that the show was stringing it out and the episodes were bloated. The Sopranos actually had this problem in the final few seasons, as the show started to drag and David Chase probably could have wrapped it up in less episodes. In the end, I think D&D could have made 2 (10 episode) seasons for 7 & 8 and it may have been alittle bloated, but it would have been able to flesh out plot points regarding Bran, Dany's motives for going to the darkside, and maybe alittle more on the White Walkers. It's a catch 22 for any show on where to end it, and whether you go past it's expiration date, or end it too soon?

Groucho

I definitely feel like the last two seasons were rushed, just a few more episodes they could have had a little more breathing room.

kefrank

I will continue to disagree. Point me to just one instance in the show where Greyworm or one of the Unsullied killed someone out of emotion rather than duty. They "murdered everyone in sight" in the The Bells because they were fulfilling their duty to follow Dany's lead, not because they were enraged. If it was rage driving them, they would have immediately killed Cersei's soldiers as soon as they threw down their swords and they wouldn't have waited for Dany to start killing surrendered soldiers and civilians before doing the same.

But let's just go with the idea that Greyworm would have murdered Jon immediately as soon as Jon confessed to killing Dany. Is there a reasonable way that could have been avoided? Yes. Jon could have gone to Davos first, had him gather Northern soldiers to protect his life and negotiate a peaceable surrender. Did they really need to show how that played out? I don't think they did. The audience doesn't need their hand held all the time.

DJariya

Noonan

If they really thought they could properly wrap up one of the most involved/character driven/complex stories to hit television with a 6 episode final season, they are horribly unqualified to be running any show/movie.

jpcamb

There was no way for the show to meet the high expectations people had for it before people started shitting on this season. It was no where near Six Feet under or Breaking Bad good for a final episode but it was also markedly better than the Sopranos or Seinfeld. Was it pretty; no, was it serviceable given what they had absolutely. Does it merit a 5.0 err 4.8 on IMDB, no, I'm a little tired of the fanboy campaigns to lower scores on shows and movies. I would give the show a 6.8 or so out of 10, I liked it, it was far from perfect but it worked for what it was. Given the utter shit people sit through on network TV week after week this show still raised the bar on TV as a whole.

spainlinx0

Yeah, I don’t see how what you’re saying makes this any better. They thought they could satisfactorily wrap up the show with that amount of episodes, and in the opinion of many, they clearly did not.

Decker

I find it hilarious that some hear are bitching that Jon wasn't killed by Grey Worm on sight as if that would have been a more satisfying ending for the character and the show.

DVD Josh

In some ways I may not have minded if nearly all the main characters were killed and they just reset the kingdom with each realm essentially going to self rule. A final montage with people like Yara going to the Iron Islands, etc., each going to sit on their respective thrones with a final image of Jon walking North and Sansa sitting on the throne then end.

beavis69

I think the problem is that they were given a cliff notes version of what events would happen and didn't have the skills/ability to fill in the gaps with proper pacing and logical choices. Many of the complaints could have been handled with an additional line or a simple step back and saying (does this makes sense). I don't hate any of the major events that happened, but how we got there left too many open ended questions.

Things I liked
Brienne and Jaime's ending - Many will hate the fact that a strong female characters spent her last moments onscreen writing good deeds for a guy who left her. However, Brienne got her final moment 3-4 episodes back with her getting knighted by Jaime. Jaime got his moment last night when he went from the Kingslayer to the Queen protector.
Bran as King - One of the best qualities to have as a leader is the ability to relate past events/outcomes to current problems and in that sense there might not be a better leader
Jon to the Nightwatch - This is honestly where he belongs, and if I understand the ending correctly, this was more of a way to get him back to the wildlings to live out his days with them.

Things I didn't like
Arya appearing at Jon's side despite the Dothraki and Unsullied standing around everywhere. Poor setup for a conversation between the two
Dany's death - It was going to happen, I actually said as much in the last thread, however her standing around with no guards doesn't make any sense
What the hell happened to the Dothraki horde? There looked to be a good amount of them (which that number still seems to go up or down depending on the story) and there is no way they would let another King/Queen sit the throne. So what happened to them.
Tyrion finding Jamie/Cersei. The emotional scene was good, but once again a poorly executed setup for an emotional event. There is no way Tyrion could have gotten down there considering the whole thing collapsed last episode.
Sansa becoming Queen of Winterfell - this felt like some fanservice and an odd one at that. Bran, her brother, is the sitting King and saying "I won't bend the knee" would have immediately set off the other lords doing the same. Too many A type personalities in that council for it not to have kicked up a shitstorm just to get her the Queen title.

I'm sure there are others I'm not thinking of. Ultimately I loved the show, but felt that GRRM hand was sorely missed in the last two seasons. Say what you will about the man but his pacing of events is very well setup and executed.

spainlinx0

Yeah, I don’t see how what you’re saying makes this any better. They thought they could satisfactorily wrap up the show with that amount of episodes, and in the opinion of many, they clearly did not.

james2025a

The last season of this show reminded me very much of the final season of Penny Dreadful. The first two seasons of that show were some of the best TV around with great writing, sets, design and above all else acting. It was spectacular and the third seasons promised to be the best yet. Then it got broadcast and it felt very rushed and some character decisions didn't seem quite in line with what had come before. I know the showrunners were moving on to other things, and i am sure this played a large part in this final season feeling rushed. Same for GoT. This season would have been better as a 10 episode with more time to flesh out better endings for characters that deserved it.

melasnus

Tyrion's freed brother was dead.
The one who had ordered him arrested was dead.
Not much point in keeping him in the pokey.
And he was, in fact, the last of the Lannisters (a major family of the realm).

Not sure the character or actor is strong enough to headline a series.


Agreed.
I think fans deserved something better, but that's the way it goes in Hollywood.

Trevor

I don’t think anyone is saying that him being killed by Grey Worm was what we wanted, but that the story could have been written in a more satisfying way.

IDrinkMolson

Just remembered one of my favorite moments of this episode. "Sir Podrick"

And it took me awhile to recognize Robin. He must have switched to giant's milk too.

For those of you that liked it, I have no problem with that, glad you did. I won't say that I "hated" this season, but I certainly did not like it. For 7 seasons there was a certain standard that was presented to me, and I do not feel it continued in S8. The cinematography in the finale was probably the best of the season.

They should have had Arya die as she was killing NK too. She basically did nothing the rest of the series. When was the last time she used a face? As Walter Frey?

The talk with Tyrion started out as lets talk about the prisoners, then it turned into let's pick a King or Queen.

I was under the impression Jon abandoned the Night's Watch too.

No lines from Tormund that I remember?

Viper187

Tormund not getting any lines at the end was bullshirt. He was one of the best characters of the series.

story

I've never seen the show. Just YouTube clips. Take my comments for what they're worth. I'm sure it's a good show, but it's clearly unrealistic. Why do I say that? EVERYBODY gets their throat slit ALL the time and NOBODY walk around wearing throat armor. Just wear a piece of metal on your neck, people, are you kidding me?! Anyway...

This absolutely makes no sense. It really, really doesn't. This sort of thing does not happen anywhere nearly as much as fans accuse it of happening and I don't think it happened here.

That's really, really good. I love that.

I love this, too.

Love this.

All of those those and their conclusions really work. Again, all I know is YouTube clips, episode synopsis, etc. But all of these comments above seem a fitting way to end.

That's beautiful.

dex14

No. You got called out for repeatedly just making comments like this. It does nothing for the conversation. Plenty here don't seem to like what happened with this season, but at least they are offering comments as to why instead of just saying fuck HBO, fuck D&D, GRRM is a corporate shill now who only cares about cashing checks over and over again. There's a difference.