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Re: Game of Thrones (S8E05) -- 78 minute episode -- “The Bells” -- 5/12/19

We were engaging in some water cooler talk at the office and the idea of the ending being:

Spoiler:
Arya and Gendry on the iron throne. Gendry has a claim and if Arya might be pregnant with his kid, might as well hang up the assassin spikes and raise the kid as a Queen.
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Re: Game of Thrones (S8E05) -- 78 minute episode -- “The Bells” -- 5/12/19

Originally Posted by funkyryno
So Cersei's forces re-opened the exterior gates after Daenerys' army arrived and camped outside (remember, we saw them all buttoned up and ready for war last episode)? That doesn't make sense. What a lazy plot hole.
they were bringing in more peasants as human shields, assuming that would prevent dragon death from above.
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Re: Game of Thrones (S8E05) -- 78 minute episode -- “The Bells” -- 5/12/19

Originally Posted by B.A.
HBO definitely screwed up on this front.
Originally Posted by Decker
If D&D wanted 20 episodes to wrap up the story, then HBO would have given them the budget for 20 episodes.
HBO *wanted* more *seasons* and/or episodes and offered whatever resources/money needed to do so. It was D&D who chose the episode numbers per season and to end it so quickly. Their poor writing and plotting in a run up to the end is why the last 2 seasons are so rushed and disjointed. Martin has said it would take another 3 or so seasons to properly tell the story as it'll be in the books. I get the impression D&D are wanting to move on to their Disney Star Wars project (which likely pays far more than HBO for GoT with less work).
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Originally Posted by eXcentris
But these deaths don't pack the punch they should to me, it's mostly just ticking boxes and checking who's left. I miss the slow meandering pace, that's probably why I'm a little jaded.
Yeah, I was surprised how little I cared about the deaths in this episode. Something about how people have gone out has just felt unsatisfying to me, but a lot of that can be placed on me not being super invested in the show like I once was and knowing we're at the end so deaths are expected now.

Originally Posted by bunkaroo
The more I've been thinking about the episode and the season, I feel one of the main themes at play is " we can't escape who we are".
If you had to sum it up in a phrase, I think this pretty spot on.
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Originally Posted by BobO'Link
HBO *wanted* more *seasons* and/or episodes and offered whatever resources/money needed to do so. It was D&D who chose the episode numbers per season and to end it so quickly. Their poor writing and plotting in a run up to the end is why the last 2 seasons are so rushed and disjointed. Martin has said it would take another 3 or so seasons to properly tell the story as it'll be in the books. I get the impression D&D are wanting to move on to their Disney Star Wars project (which likely pays far more than HBO for GoT with less work).
You can't live someone else's life for them, and surely this job is a massive undertaking and is draining, but from the little poking around I've seen it does seem like D&D are just ready to be done with the show. I'm not going to be so dramatic as to say they've betrayed fans or anything like that, but I do wish I felt like they were still all the way invested in this story like it felt they were in the first handful of seasons. It wouldn't have fixed everything, and maybe in some ways would have hurt things, but I do feel like this season definitely could have used the extra 4 episodes that were on the table. Just a little breathing room may have made some things land a bit harder.
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Re: Game of Thrones (S8E05) -- 78 minute episode -- “The Bells” -- 5/12/19

Originally Posted by GatorDeb
BTW something people are missing is that Varys tried to poison Daenerys but she refused to eat.
Yes! Someone mentioned that to me. The girl who was talking to Varys was poisoning her food under order from him.
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Re: Game of Thrones (S8E05) -- 78 minute episode -- “The Bells” -- 5/12/19

Originally Posted by VinVega
We were engaging in some water cooler talk at the office and the idea of the ending being:

Spoiler:
Arya and Gendry on the iron throne. Gendry has a claim and if Arya might be pregnant with his kid, might as well hang up the assassin spikes and raise the kid as a Queen.


If so..Gonna piss of the
Spoiler:
feminists like when Brienne was crying for Jamie
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Re: Game of Thrones (S8E05) -- 78 minute episode -- “The Bells” -- 5/12/19

I don't have a problem with most of the plot points of the episode, but I did feel that it certainly seemed like the Daenerys heel turn happened awful quick. Sure there's been foreshadowing, and the occasional moment, but just a couple episodes ago she's up there fighting to save the universe, and now she's burning innocents for literally no reason. In an 8 or 10 episode season I think they could have made this and the transition work, but there's literally no time to breathe. Last week Missandei gets killed and she's pissed, now she's gonna burn everything down. Having some of those conversations with Tyrion (particularly about her "mercy") in an interstitial episode would have been helpful to get people to swallow this.

Loved the Clegane Bowl and Tyrion/Jaime's last moment together. The Jaime/Cersei thing does feel like a bit of a shock given what has gone between them and his relationship with Brienne. What was even the point of that then? Better to have let her die heroically in the battle of Winterfell. I get that he couldn't escape his love for his sister, but again... the pacing is way off given the handful of episodes they had to work with.
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Originally Posted by mugwump
I wonder what all the parents who named their daughters Daenerys think about this turn of events? Hopefully their sons aren't named Adolf.

I never liked the Daenerys character in the books or on the show so I really don't care that she broke bad. And trying to tug the viewers' heartstrings over the destruction of King's Landing is ridiculous since the place has been portrayed as a cesspool of deception, inhabited by a wholly complicit population only too happy to turn feral at any given opportunity, since the very first episode of the show. At this point I'm still rooting for Sansa as the only major player that still has a functioning brain which surprises the heck out of me since that character started out so unlikable.

And yes, this stinking, stuttering end will certainly impact the rewatchability of the show.
Kings Landing is basically Gotham City, but one not worth saving, right?
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Re: Game of Thrones (S8E05) -- 78 minute episode -- “The Bells” -- 5/12/19

I think Dany have Drogon melt down the Iron Throne and tell Jon she's pregnant with his child and return to Dragonstone and ruled from there.
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Re: Game of Thrones (S8E05) -- 78 minute episode -- “The Bells” -- 5/12/19

Awesome episode!

Danny felts betrayed, of course!, she decided to help John in his war, and after she losses her two closest friends/advisors. And of course she lost John. You could even count Varys as a loss.

Last episode hopefully is as good as this one.
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Re: Game of Thrones (S8E05) -- 78 minute episode -- “The Bells” -- 5/12/19

I do not get the criticism about the pacing. The war is here. Things will of course move quicker now that the characters aren’t all wandering the countryside having meetings about pledging fealty to various rulers.

This thing is almost over - this is known as “wrapping things up”.
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Jaime had seen first-hand, and been on the receiving end, of what the dragons could do in the Tyrell countryside. And saw them in action again in the Battle of Winterfell. Maybe that played into his going back to save Cersei. But I think it was, as has been stated numerous times, just in his nature and he couldn't pull away from his past.
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Originally Posted by Josh-da-man

I’m skeptical, but I’d love for that to be true.

I’ve hear that theory before, so he may just be repeating it.
Here's an article about it.

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I bitched and moaned about the season, but that was a GREAT episode! Well paced, and it focused on a few characters so you felt the dramatic effect on them.
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How did Jaime's returning to the woman he can't get over destroy all of his character development? Despite being an interesting, well portrayed character, despite his keeping his personal word to defend the North, despite his relationship with Brienne, he was haunted by personal demons, a family destiny he could not escape, and a love gone so very, very, wrong. He may not have been an outright villain, but he was hardly a good man.

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Re: Game of Thrones (S8E05) -- 78 minute episode -- “The Bells” -- 5/12/19

Originally Posted by andicus
Melisandre told Arya she would "shut many eyes forever. Brown eyes, green eyes… and blue eyes."
Arya went to King's Landing to kill the queen. She just didn't know what queen she would be killing...
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Re: Game of Thrones (S8E05) -- 78 minute episode -- “The Bells” -- 5/12/19

Does anyone think Cersei and Jaime still alive?
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Re: Game of Thrones (S8E05) -- 78 minute episode -- “The Bells” -- 5/12/19

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Does anyone think Cersei and Jaime still alive?
Originally Posted by Why So Blu?
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Re: Game of Thrones (S8E05) -- 78 minute episode -- “The Bells” -- 5/12/19

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Does anyone think Cersei and Jaime still alive?
I wouldn't dismiss it if there wasn't one episode left.
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Re: Game of Thrones (S8E05) -- 78 minute episode -- “The Bells” -- 5/12/19

This is the perfect scenario for GRRM. Assuming the rumors that he's sitting on the next two books waiting for the show to end, he gets the luxury of seeing how this timeline plays out, and picking and choosing what he sees works or doesn't work.
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Originally Posted by BobO'Link
HBO *wanted* more *seasons* and/or episodes and offered whatever resources/money needed to do so. It was D&D who chose the episode numbers per season and to end it so quickly. Their poor writing and plotting in a run up to the end is why the last 2 seasons are so rushed and disjointed. Martin has said it would take another 3 or so seasons to properly tell the story as it'll be in the books. I get the impression D&D are wanting to move on to their Disney Star Wars project (which likely pays far more than HBO for GoT with less work).
I meant HBO screwed up by not firing D&D when the network found out they were going to wrap it up in this manner.
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Re: Game of Thrones (S8E05) -- 78 minute episode -- “The Bells” -- 5/12/19

Originally Posted by OldBoy
Does anyone think Cersei and Jaime still alive?
That would be a Glen dumpster dive if they tried that. I think they are gone.
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