Game of Thrones (S8E03) -- 82 minute episode -- “The Long Night” -- 4/28/19
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Regardless of the existence of fantastical elements, the show has always had strong internal logic to the way the world of GoT works: the limitations of people, the limitations of dragons, the limitations of witches. This logic was hugely important because it lent a sense of real weight to the characters and their struggles: you knew no one was a super hero and thus everyone was in real danger. That logic has increasingly gone out the window in the latter seasons, in my opinion to the detriment of the tension in the show. The appeal of GoT to me was thinking about the logic of this horrible world and these horrible people. The show is arguably about those "rules of the game". Recently, the show has become less about thinking and more about "whoa, look at that, that's cool". I completely respect that, but it is a change.
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Re: Game of Thrones (S8E03) -- 82 minute episode -- “The Long Night” -- 4/28/19
Whoever mentioned in last episodes thread that Tyrion knew everyone would survive was spot on.
In the scene around the hearth he mentioned that "ya know, I think we'll all live", was said with the insider information confidence given to him from his chat with Bran.
In the scene around the hearth he mentioned that "ya know, I think we'll all live", was said with the insider information confidence given to him from his chat with Bran.
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Or perhaps they banked on the world building they've already done, spending multiple seasons building up Arya's skills as a crafty and deceptive assassin, and gave the audience some credit that it shouldn't be necessary to spell out whatever specific tactic Arya used to mount a surprise attack against the Night King.
Apparently even quieter than her blood dripping on the floor (when she gets away from the one looking for her under the table).
Assumption is that she snuck out and hid somewhere until they got there.
Would have been cool/bad ass to see her take a deathly quiet 5 second run of 10 feet or whatever to get the jump on him, but whatever.
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Re: Game of Thrones (S8E03) -- 82 minute episode -- “The Long Night” -- 4/28/19
"Game of Thrones" is only famous for killing off characters unexpectedly because the audience THINKS they are important. Ned, Rob, Catelyn, Cersei's children, Margery, etc. deaths were shocking but those characters were unnecessary to the overall story. And those deaths helped propel the characters who will survive to the final moments.
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Re: Game of Thrones (S8E03) -- 82 minute episode -- “The Long Night” -- 4/28/19
Really? To me how the story sets up Ned to be our hero and protagonist only to have him be beheaded and not saved at the last second felt pretty unexpected to me. Sorta like Janet Lee in Psycho. And for people who didn't read the books, casting Sean Bean in the lead role, only to have him killed off before the end of the first season added to that shock IMHO.
But, you may say, Sean Bean dies in everything...to which I will say...you have a point there.
But, you may say, Sean Bean dies in everything...to which I will say...you have a point there.
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Re: Game of Thrones (S8E03) -- 82 minute episode -- “The Long Night” -- 4/28/19
A couple of questions:
Did Arya ever get the dragonglass weapon she asked Gendry to make for her?
Who is the leader of house Mormont now?
Did Arya ever get the dragonglass weapon she asked Gendry to make for her?
Who is the leader of house Mormont now?
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Re: Game of Thrones (S8E03) -- 82 minute episode -- “The Long Night” -- 4/28/19
The show has dumped logic in favor of story for the past 2 seasons. So the story now drives the characters actions instead of the other way around. Ep 2 was a master class at what GOT is good at, ep 3 was the opposite.
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Really? To me how the story sets up Ned to be our hero and protagonist only to have him be beheaded and not saved at the last second felt pretty unexpected to me. Sorta like Janet Lee in Psycho. And for people who didn't read the books, casting Sean Bean in the lead role, only to have him killed off before the end of the first season added to that shock IMHO.
Now, I could totally see notable people dying at the story's conclusion - but this battle wasn't that.
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Re: Game of Thrones (S8E03) -- 82 minute episode -- “The Long Night” -- 4/28/19
Raises hand.
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Re: Game of Thrones (S8E03) -- 82 minute episode -- “The Long Night” -- 4/28/19
I mean, they also had a lengthy scene of her sneaking around ridiculously quiet in the castle too, in this same episode.
Apparently even quieter than her blood dripping on the floor (when she gets away from the one looking for her under the table).
Assumption is that she snuck out and hid somewhere until they got there.
Would have been cool/bad ass to see her take a deathly quiet 5 second run of 10 feet or whatever to get the jump on him, but whatever.
Apparently even quieter than her blood dripping on the floor (when she gets away from the one looking for her under the table).
Assumption is that she snuck out and hid somewhere until they got there.
Would have been cool/bad ass to see her take a deathly quiet 5 second run of 10 feet or whatever to get the jump on him, but whatever.
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Re: Game of Thrones (S8E03) -- 82 minute episode -- “The Long Night” -- 4/28/19
What is the name of that YouTube show with an attractive lady with big uns that analyzes GoT episodes?
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The notable actor was a good misdirect for non-book readers but my point is that the audience THINKS it's Ned's story and it's not - it's Jon and Danys and Arya and Cersei and Tyrion's story. It's the "next generation's" story. Which means that all of those characters are safe because they all have a role to play going forward. I don't think they are going to kill Jon or Cersei before the end because they need to be there at the end. Someone has to make it to the conclusion - they can't kill everyone and just have like Varys and Bronn standing there like "now what" at the end.
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Had to change my tv settings to be able to see.
Enjoyed the episode but was disappointed a bit. Sorry, but Sam and Grey Worm surviving was fucking ridiculous. Just a total disregard of logic. Also the Arya kill was cringe. Her taking the face of a white walker to get close to the Night King would've played way better than her Air Jordaning.
Enjoyed the episode but was disappointed a bit. Sorry, but Sam and Grey Worm surviving was fucking ridiculous. Just a total disregard of logic. Also the Arya kill was cringe. Her taking the face of a white walker to get close to the Night King would've played way better than her Air Jordaning.
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Re: Game of Thrones (S8E03) -- 82 minute episode -- “The Long Night” -- 4/28/19
SaTyrion seemed pretty unsure in the crypt when Sansa pulled out the dagger as if to contemplate suicide. Maybe he could have saved a few lives in the crypt by I dunno maybe saying something about Bran seeing the dead coming back and killing the women and children in the crypt and not having them in there like sitting ducks.
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Sure, except Robb didn't have that much backstory either - he was just Ned's heir. Jon was the character with the mysterious past. I'll admit that it was shocking to see Robb's death (and as a book reader, I thought it was extremely shocking - the whole thing takes place a little faster IIRC so you're not quite sure what happened.) But the more I thought about it, the more it made sense because ultimately his King in the North stuff needs to go to Jon since he's the Dany connection. He just had more places to go than Robb did.
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I was confused last night because for a second it looked like Greyworm deserted his men and turned chicken, and that is definitely not his MO. I know the unsullied were protecting the retreat, so was he just behind the troops instead of in the front, and then at one point ran to get behind the trench? Also, did he close the trench with some of the unsullied still on the other side? It was so hard to see, I just didn't know what happened there.
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Re: Game of Thrones (S8E03) -- 82 minute episode -- “The Long Night” -- 4/28/19
Awesome episode. Just 82 minutes of pure mayhem.
And I don't get the complaint for those who thought the episode looked like shit, which made it a bad episode. Totally disagree. I think they tried to make you feel like you were in the heat of battle with them. It was dark, cold and miserable conditions. In this instance, adding extra lighting where you could see everything would have decreased the authenticity. Yeah you can't see everything that's going on, but if you were them fighting for your life in say real life with those conditions, you couldn't see shit either. It's a matter of opinion I guess for those who don't enjoy that style of filmmaking, but it worked for me.
Arya coming in at the last moment to kill the Night King was goofy, but a good moment for the character. They've foreshadowed since season 1 that Arya was going to be a badass warrior since she was a little girl in training and I thought this was her moment.
And I don't get the complaint for those who thought the episode looked like shit, which made it a bad episode. Totally disagree. I think they tried to make you feel like you were in the heat of battle with them. It was dark, cold and miserable conditions. In this instance, adding extra lighting where you could see everything would have decreased the authenticity. Yeah you can't see everything that's going on, but if you were them fighting for your life in say real life with those conditions, you couldn't see shit either. It's a matter of opinion I guess for those who don't enjoy that style of filmmaking, but it worked for me.
Arya coming in at the last moment to kill the Night King was goofy, but a good moment for the character. They've foreshadowed since season 1 that Arya was going to be a badass warrior since she was a little girl in training and I thought this was her moment.
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Disappointed. So was this Gamespot reviewer, and I pretty much agree with what he had to say: https://www.gamespot.com/articles/ga.../1100-6466520/
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Re: Game of Thrones (S8E03) -- 82 minute episode -- “The Long Night” -- 4/28/19
Sure, except Robb didn't have that much backstory either - he was just Ned's heir. Jon was the character with the mysterious past. I'll admit that it was shocking to see Robb's death (and as a book reader, I thought it was extremely shocking - the whole thing takes place a little faster IIRC so you're not quite sure what happened.) But the more I thought about it, the more it made sense because ultimately his King in the North stuff needs to go to Jon since he's the Dany connection. He just had more places to go than Robb did.
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Interesting, who were you following in the book to get his stuff? Catelyn?
I was confused last night because for a second it looked like Greyworm deserted his men and turned chicken, and that is definitely not his MO. I know the unsullied were protecting the retreat, so was he just behind the troops instead of in the front, and then at one point ran to get behind the trench? Also, did he close the trench with some of the unsullied still on the other side? It was so hard to see, I just didn't know what happened there.
I was confused last night because for a second it looked like Greyworm deserted his men and turned chicken, and that is definitely not his MO. I know the unsullied were protecting the retreat, so was he just behind the troops instead of in the front, and then at one point ran to get behind the trench? Also, did he close the trench with some of the unsullied still on the other side? It was so hard to see, I just didn't know what happened there.
I think they showed the Unsullied to be fearless, killing machines - selected and trained to be unstoppable, unthinking soldiers who follow every command. But now, Greyworm has something to live for in being with Missandei so perhaps he froze during the fighting. It's a typical solider/military theme in battle. I think they needed the trenches to be lit and some of the unsullied took a torch and sacrificed themselves to try and light the trenches but Greyworm hesitated and didn't sacrifice himself to his mission in that scene probably because of Missandei.
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