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From what I was able to dig up, the Jackson estate and a investment company own what was once named Neverland Ranch. It has been renamed Sycamore Valley Ranch. Here's a look at the property from November, 2017.

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No need to watch a redundant 4hr documentary when innocence is self explanatory in those links above. :thumbsup:

People would turn in their soul for money. -ohbfrank-

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One of the toughest lessons in life happens when a person realizes there is NOTHING people won't do for money and almost EVERYONE has a price.

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Well, there's your answer, then. If Lisa is keeping her mouth shut...she's hiding the truth. And that truth seems to be coming out of the mouths of people who were also with Jackson. So if Lisa had anything to say to defend MJ, she would have said it by now.

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Look the man is dead, whether he died earlier because of his sins, who knows

For me, he almost definitely did things inappropriate. Whether spooning with boys or dick in bum or something inbetween

Brilliant music artist and dancer, never had a fair shot at a normal childhood which i think twisted his relationship with children

Ultimately let the man RIP. He if did sin badly, he's paying for it in hell. If he didn't, he's moonwalking in heaven, let's leave it at that

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Have the same advice for dead priests who molested kids?

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Well, as expected, this was a tough watch. And there's still 2 hours tomorrow.

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there is a part 2? why doesn't it specify that?

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https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/dvdtalk...f1961f5ee8.jpg

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thanks. weird that my Optimum guide doesn't show it as new or being another part. same exact description as last night which is why i thought that was it...

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I shouldn't have watched this before going to sleep last night. It made me feel so filthy I actually had trouble falling asleep

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Funny how that didn't get a response...

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Same. I watched from 10pm to 12am and was tossing and turning. I felt icky after seeing it. And I was actually really tired prior to watching it.

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I DVR'd it last night, but now I think I'm going to skip it altogether. I don't want to watch 2 hours of adults talking about Michael Jackson molested them as kids.


Although Dave Chappelle does a funny bit about MJ in 2004 and whether he think he's guilty:

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All this talk of feeling uncomfortable and sick after watching actually makes me want to watch it.

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Yeah I'm sure you're going to love hearing Wade Robson's vivid description of



:wacko:

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if you still have doubts....

https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood...se-allegations

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I also felt the same. The one thing I didn't realize how much time Michael spent with the Safechuck's. Jimmy's story seemed more genuine and more believable if this was the a situation where we would be hearing it for the first time.

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That's pretty damning....-eek-

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This is one of the three big questions of our generation. The other two being OJ & Steven Avery.

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I plowed through this yesterday. I believe these guys and am totally convinced Jackson was molesting kids.

I knew he shared the same bed with kids, but I didn't know it was done as often as it was.
No fucking way a 30+ year old man spends that much time with other people's kids, shares the same bed with them for as often as he did and is NOT a pedophile.

He was calculating and manipulating and knew how to play on the emotions of the kids and family members. He used his fame and money to rig things just the way he needed them to be.
How the parents allowed these friendships to happen is mind-boggling. And you know there were people who knew what was going on (parents, managers, house-keepers, etc) and turned a blind eye. Disgusting.

For anyone who doesn't think he's guilty, put yourself in that situation - would you allow your 8 year old kid to hang out with a 30-something man week after week and have them sleep in the same bed for months?

It sucks that Jackson's dead and not rotting in some prison. I hope his death was painful at least - but I'm sure it wasn't as painful as he deserved.

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Those marriages were fake and in the boys said he he had no interest in women though he asked Wade about Britney Spears so maybe he had the hots for her.

I believe these guys. Why would they reveal all that painful and embarrassing shit to the world for no reason?

I don't think they are getting a big payday for this doc and the statue of limitations might be up since Michael Jackson died.

Michael probably lost interest in them as they grew up and replaced them with other kids.

I assume Macuuley Culkin might be in the closet and does not want to reveal what really happened.

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Oprah did a sit-down interview with the director and the two guys which aired on HBO after part 2.

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Culkin could have been abused, but I can believe it that Jackson didn't touch him also.

Jackson met Culkin during/after "Home Alone" became HUGE at the box office and Culkin was becoming a big name in Hollywood. Jackson knew that it would be tougher to buy off a star who could be making some major bank soon and would have the backing of studios, etc. for lawsuits. Jackson isn't stupid - he's calculating. He would prey on kids from families who could be bought and were defenseless financially and legally. It wouldn't surprise me if he didn't touch Culkin at all.