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Old 01-25-19, 08:13 PM
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Re: The Orville (S2E05) -- "All the World Is Birthday Cake" -- 01/24/2019

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She looked familiar to me as well, and I've seen some of the things she has been in, but nothing that I would recognize her from. Might be the raspy voice and I'm thinking of someone else, dunno.

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Re: The Orville (S2E05) -- "All the World Is Birthday Cake" -- 01/24/2019

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I guess you didn't see Kelly and Bortus kill about a dozen guards with machine guns.
Yeah they murdered a bunch of dudes who were just trying to feed their families, and to what end exactly? What was their grand plan once outside the gates with little but the clothes on their back on a planet they know virtually nothing about all while being rightfully hunted as murdering fugitives? Rescuing them was out of the question due to the harm it would cause in diplomatic relations, but them butchering their way out, well that's totally cool.

But once the "star" appears it's all birthday cake and singalongs...except for the fatherless children and widows of those pointlessly slaughtered by the heroes of the Orville. Turns out the jelliacs are OK, but those dicks from the Orville are the worst.

Something else that bugged me: What people that have yet to make outside contact nevertheless name their home planet Rigor-2?
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Re: The Orville (S2E05) -- "All the World Is Birthday Cake" -- 01/24/2019

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Something else that bugged me: What people that have yet to make outside contact nevertheless name their home planet Rigor-2?
That I was okay with. They could see out into space and possibly know if other planets existed, and just got lazy on naming the planets.

I was pretty good with everything up until the resolution.
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Old 01-25-19, 10:39 PM
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Re: The Orville (S2E05) -- "All the World Is Birthday Cake" -- 01/24/2019

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That I was okay with. They could see out into space and possibly know if other planets existed, and just got lazy on naming the planets.
What's that up there?
Looks like a planet. We shall call it Rigor.
Sounds good. But what about naming our planet?
Hmm... Rigor-2 comes to mind.

Or maybe all planets are named Rigor and theirs is simply "Rigor too."
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What's that up there?
Looks like a planet. We shall call it Rigor.
Sounds good. But what about naming our planet?
Hmm... Rigor-2 comes to mind.
yeah, I'm just trying to justify it somehow. They originally called their planet CheeseHead, but then Bob Rigor, the great astronomer, was looking through a telescope and discovered a planet closer to their sun and then another one further away. To honor his findings, the Quorum of Astronomers (the QoA) decided from then on to name planets after Bob, and just add a number designation to indicate the order from the Sun. (I got nuthin')

Did the Orville have any name for the planet before they visited it? I can't remember if it was uncharted, or if they just didn't know it had life on it.
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Originally Posted by Bill Needle View Post
This is why I wish they would focus on comedy/sci-fi satire. The "serious" plots on the show are trite and paper thin, completely falling apart under the slightest scrutiny. If they are going to be this bad at incorporating traditional sci-fi someone needs tell them they shouldn't bother.
Absolutely right on the money.
If they continue with episodes like this one the show won't last.
It would just be a bad imitation of TNG.

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An underwhelming episode that felt like a badly recycled ST: The Next Generation plot.
This was the most Trek-ish episode I can recall.

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She looked familiar to me as well, and I've seen some of the things she has been in, but nothing that I would recognize her from. Might be the raspy voice and I'm thinking of someone else, dunno.

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Despite some of the criticism of this episode, this and last week’s are the two most accessible Orville’s for my wife, who is a hardcore TOS/TNG/DS9/V/E fan. No puerile humor, but some laughs, and decent Star Trek style plots. My wife is a twin, so she found the whole “shared birthday” subplot very funny, plus Bortus' comment “An egg is easier” during the birthing scene.
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Originally Posted by Orbi-Wan Techno View Post
My wife is a twin, so she found the whole “shared birthday” subplot very funny, plus Bortus' comment “An egg is easier” during the birthing scene.
I think the humor is decent most of the time and that's why I wish that was the focus rather than serving as a holodeck simulation for Seth's fantasy of being on Star Trek which I'm sure he gets off on but doesn't do much for me.
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Re: The Orville (S2E05) -- "All the World Is Birthday Cake" -- 01/24/2019

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Also stupid for the fact that the stars look different at different places in the universe, and more importantly, planets revolve around their suns at different rates, so a year on one planet is not a year on another. Thus Kelly revealing her birthday does nothing to denote where the stars were on this planet when she was born. I know, I know, there's a lot about this show where you have to suspend disbelief more than you ordinarily would. But the whole astrology thing was just plain stupid.
I think you're thinking something that's probably a wrong assumption. In this episode, there is no need at all for all of the planets (Regor 2, Moclus, Earth) to have exactly the same annual year length, just for the visitors to happen to have birthdays that coincided with the astrological sign of Giliac on the First Contact planet of Regor 2 at this particular time. From the perspective of the people on that planet, the basic idea that other planets have years of different length than their own is just as alien of a concept as the idea that other planets don't have the same astrology as their own. Merely the timing of their birthdays alone in relation to their planet was the issue, not the varying length of each planet's year which is totally unknown to them aside from their own.

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If they are so blatantly ripping off TNG episodes, at least they should go for the good ones later on, not the crappy early season 1 episodes.
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Yeah, I’d suck as a ship captain. I’d have just used a dropship to collect my crew and then blasted those fuckers from orbit.
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the Federation's (or whatever) stance on this was dumb. just leaving 2 crewmembers behind. ridiculous.

knock out gas the entire area, grab your people and get out of there never to return. fin. certainly less of a breach of the prime directive (or whatever) than their ultimate solution.

also makes me wonder if they will ever incorporate transporters in this show.

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also makes me wonder if they will ever incorporate transporters in this show.
I hope not. Transporter was created o TOS due to budget costs of ship landing FX.
Notice on Star Trek how they always had to keep coming up with reasons why the transporter would not work when they created a situation that the transporter could solve instantly.

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I hope not. Transporter was created o TOS due to budget costs of ship landing FX.
Notice on Star Trek how they always had to keep coming up with reasons why the transporter would not work when they created a situation that the transporter could solve instantly.
Exactly. This is the point in my post about everybody speaking English. You're suppose to concoct a reason so the audience doesn't ask "Why don't they use the transporter?" or "Why do they speak English?".
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Exactly. This is the point in my post about everybody speaking English. You're suppose to concoct a reason so the audience doesn't ask "Why don't they use the transporter?" or "Why do they speak English?".
Not English, “Federation Standard”.
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Exactly. This is the point in my post about everybody speaking English. You're suppose to concoct a reason so the audience doesn't ask "Why don't they use the transporter?" or "Why do they speak English?".
They don't use a transporter because that technology does not exist in the universe of this show.

They speak English because this is a television show produced in the USA.

Seriously, if you are watching The Orville and wondering why everybody speaks English then you are watching TV wrong.
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So the captain can just request that the new security chief be from one planet? How about getting the best person regardless of origin? Or does the extra strength of people from that planet make them automatically the best for the job?
I'm certain that Seth thinks having a female security chief and having a female be the physically strongest person on the ship is an important representation that he did not want to abandon just because Sage left the show.
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Thank god this forum wasn't around when TOS, TNG, and DS9 aired. Add B5 to that.
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They speak English because this is a television show produced in the USA.

Seriously, if you are watching The Orville and wondering why everybody speaks English then you are watching TV wrong.
Everybody realizes that. Doesn't invalidate bringing it up.
Nobody questions why everybody speaks English on Hogan's Heroes. Why? Because the Germans all speak with German accents. This tells the audience that the German characters have learned English as a second language. Give a character an accent and all is explained.
Why do the Germans continue to speak in English when they are alone among themselves?
Correct answer: Because it's a tv show.
It's still a valid question.
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Everybody realizes that. Doesn't invalidate bringing it up.
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If everybody who watches the show understands that all the human characters and all the alien characters speak English because it is an American TV show, then why would you request that Seth insert some ridiculous explanation into the show for why everybody is speaking English?
These are people flying around the galaxy on a star-ship, 400 years from now, and they watch movies and listen to music from 40 years ago. None of it actually makes any fucking sense.
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seriously, if you are watching the orville [...] then you are watching tv wrong.
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They don't use a transporter because that technology does not exist in the universe of this show.
And they’re already pushing the Trek similarities about as far as they can without getting sued into oblivionby Paramount. Transporters are about as distinctly Star Trek as you can get, and introducing something like that would probably cross an actionable line.
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They don't use a transporter because that technology does not exist in the universe of this show.
Chipping in with a nerdy correction, but transporter technology actually does exist in the show's universe, however the Union does not possess it.

In the second episode of the show (S01E02 - "Command Performance"), the far more advanced Calivon civilization used some type of transporter to kidnap Ed and Kelly for exhibits in their zoo. If the show last long enough, maybe a future episode will depict the Union finally getting transporter technology, either through espionage or developing it themselves.
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Oddly enough I sort of liked this episode. And I am a huge critic of this show.
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