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That was not my implication, and I believe you know that.
I think you just decided to play the game that passes for debate today, where someone dumbs down an idea to a level where they can score an easy point with some snark.

The revelations about Harvey Weinstein simply make it undeniably obvious that, in the entertainment industry, if you are powerful enough, you get a pass. Things have changed with regard to sexual assault, sexual harassment, and sexual discrimination, but they haven't changed with regard to just being a meanie. And yes, if you are working for a powerful figure in the entertainment industry, and your boss is a complete asshole, the industry's response (not mine, I am just a regular person) is "Fuck you, you crybaby."

I dismissed your mention of Jessica Walters because her complaint was dismissed by the industry. Certainly people working on Arrested Development were aware of how Tambor treated her, did anyone do anything? Or even care? Apparently not. Even after Tambor was accused of sexual misconduct, the response from the AD team was to minimize Walter's complaints.
Your own chosen example, was just proof of my point that the industry really doesn't care about this kind of behavior. And in this case, they were protecting Jeffrey Tambor, who is not a powerful figure in Hollywood by any stretch of the imagination.

You said you won't reply and that's okay. I hurt your feelings with an insulting remark.
Unless you aspire to the level of everybody on Fox News: Don't purposefully misconstrue what people are saying just to make it easier for you to get on your high horse.

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Rosie O'Donnell was a huge daytime success despite being a bitch on wheels to her employees.

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I hear Corden is an ass too, he's just not as famous.

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Really?

He is the biggest brown noser among the talk show hosts.

I know not everybody likes him but Fallon seems like the real deal and what you see is what you get.

Colbert is probably full of himself and does not look like he would be friendly if you tried to approach or talk to him.

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Ok, Ellen.

What a low bar to set. Please don't have kids.
And why the fuck are you so angry that someone would expect decent behaviour from a grown up?
Stop comparing it to rape and physical abuse. No one's arresting her.

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Jimmy Fallon is quite approachable. Every July 4th he shows up at the local parade and celebration and is great with those that want a photo or just talk to him or ask for an autograph.

It would be so easy for him just to avoid the whole scene ... but he shows up and walks around just like everyone else. He's been doing that for years.

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Bill and Hillary Clinton do that in Chappaqua NY too at the parade every year.

I've never seen anyone approach them but that's probably more to do with the secret service detail hovering nearby.

They do sometimes stop and walk over to shake hands with people they seemed to know but I'm sure that will all change this year....

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Money and power still control the entertainment business (and I'm sure lots of other businesses), so nothing has changed with abusive stars and directors. You shut up and accept that you are on a lower rung if you want to continue working. However, there a some truly nice stars and directors, so don't think it's all a horror show.

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I am attempting to convey the tone with which such complaints about Ellen's behavior are/would be met within the entertainment industry.
How I treat people in MY life has nothing to do with the way people can expect to be treated in Hollywood.
I keep comparing it to rape and physical abuse because that is the standard the entertainment industry has established for itself.

I guess I'll say this one last time and hope it sinks in.
Ellen could be Satan's spawn behind the scenes. She could be the nastiest, meanest, most demanding boss in Hollywood. She could treat the people beneath her like shit, all day, every day.
But unless she puts on a strap-on and starts forcing her employees to take it up the ass, nobody in Hollywood is going to care.
She is MONEY.

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That is cool and he shakes hands with the audience in the closing credits of each show

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Is being a tough boss just part of running a daily show? I saw stories about Letterman being brutal to work for when he was at NBC.

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If this true I am shocked since I thought Ellen was smart and not let this stuff happen under her watch.


https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/...210726561.html

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There's an embedded link to the article "alleging racism and intimidation" but the charges of just one former employee are detailed in the article.

One employee, who claims she was fed up with comments about her race, essentially walked off the job.A Black woman who used to work on The Ellen DeGeneres Show told BuzzFeed News she experienced racist comments, actions, and “microaggressions” during her year and a half as an employee. She said when she was hired, a senior-level producer told her and another Black employee, “Oh wow, you both have box braids; I hope we don’t get you confused.” And at a work party, she said, one of the main writers told her, “I’m sorry, I only know the names of the white people who work here,” and other coworkers “awkwardly laughed it off” instead of coming to her defense.

When the former employee brought up issues of race and representation on the show and asked producers not to use offensive terms like “spirit animal” in segments, her colleagues called her “the PC police.”

“He said that I was walking around looking resentful and angry,” she said.

After the meeting, she left work for the day and never returned to The Ellen DeGeneres Show. She said she has no plans to ever work in the entertainment industry again.

When she started to speak up about the discrimination, she said, all of her colleagues distanced themselves from her.

“Whenever I brought up an issue to my white male boss, he would bring up some random story about some random Black friend that he had and how they managed to get over stuff,” she said. “He would use his Black friend as some way to say, ‘I understand your struggle.’ But it was all performative bullshit.”

After one year at Ellen, she said she asked for a raise after learning another recent hire made double for doing the same job, despite her having worked in the television industry for a decade. Her manager told her “they’d see what they could do,” but months went by and nothing happened, she said.

The former employee said she was also called into a meeting with executive producer Ed Glavin, where she was reprimanded for her objections to the term “spirit animal,” asking for a raise, and suggesting employees on the show receive diversity and inclusion training.

So, I know we are not supposed to post long quotes without offering something of our own to say about it.

I'm a middle-aged, white male administrator, and she sounds like someone who showed up on the job looking for slights and attacks. I gotta admit, I have no fucking clue why spirit animal is offensive, and if you're complaining about that and you don't have a really solid explanation for it, I'm gonna decide the problem is you.

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It seems out of character at least from what we know of her that Ellen would knowingly let this go on and do nothing about it. She seems like someone who’s for inclusivity whether it’s regarding race, gender, or sexual orientation. Not to say that there couldn’t be some bad apples on the set, but I think if she knew she’d do something.

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I don't think anyone can put it on Ellen to be aware of every comment one of her producers makes to an employee or every "joke" that a writer makes at a party.

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Realistically no, but in today’s climate where everyone is ultra sensitive and more than ready to pin the blame to someone I could see her getting some of the blame.

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Her name is on the show, so she can't escape responsibility, but what are the criticisms?
Union employees complaining about the amount of compensation they are receiving for not working.
One very vocal former employee with a lot of complaints about micro-aggressions she suffered because she is black
And then some general complaining from a small group that this corporate workplace isn't run like a hippie commune and isn't a fantasy land of love and good vibes.

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From what I've read online from people who worked at the show, this culture of racism, harassment and other bullshit has been going on for years and it starts at the top with Ellen herself. The story was that the whole "Queen of Nice" Ellen has is just in front of the cameras and that behind the scenes she's is one of the worsts people ever. Seeing this being investigated didn't come as a surprise for me at all.

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This investigation all stems from reports/complaints about the show in 2020, all of which are detailed in the Variety and Buzzfeed articles.
In the current cultural climate, no charges of racial discrimination can just be waved off, but if you read the accusations being made, it is clear (at least to me) that this is almost all coming from one angry ex-employee.

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From the Buzzfeed Article, it was three employees, but most of the article was on the first one. The article cites another news story from Ellen's former bodyguard where it's said she had an "unfriendly and selfish demeanor." A former guest on Ellen's show said she was "cold." -rolleyes- If there's legit criticism of the work environment at Ellen and some form of abuse is going on, then of course, investigate it. But a lot of this other stuff is just people Chatty Patties and wanting to pile on. "Well, I heard..."-type of gossiping. Someone complains that she showed preferential treatment to the A-list guests. That's a news story? Another story where the bodyguard revealed Ellen didn't say hi or make conversation with him?

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Kimmel did a lot worse and he still has his job.

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I worked in entertainment for 15 years and was on set with a lot of big name talent. They all behave badly at some point. I think its just human nature.
When you have so much adulation and are surrounded by sycophants wanting to be in your entourage how can you not become an asshole thinking you are entitled?

That being said, I have a friend who was a vendor working for Ellen and her reputation of being a shrewd cold businesswoman is deserved. She portrays a character on her show. That friendly lady preaching kindness who used to dance through the audience and cry about adopted pets is NOT the real her.

None of this surprises me but as others pointed out, the same has been said in the past about many others. (Letterman, Kimmel) I don't expect her show to survive this. Kelly Clarkson is already a hit and will steal most of her demographic. The Ellen show is just tired and I'm sure on some level she is tired of doing it but she needs that money coming in to maintain her lifestyle. The media seems to be eating up these stories and will keep them coming and Ellen's housewife audience will move on.

Ellen's biggest mistake was not being a meanspirited bitch. It was being a poor manager. You can't just deflect all the problems to your producers when your name is all over the show. She should have made changes years ago but part of those changes would have needed to be changing the way she deals with her staff and that's not going to happen.

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This is the first time I've heard that spirit animal is an offensive term.

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It's been a thing for a while. For indigenous cultures, it's a deeply spiritual thing to them and when Becky from college says something like "mimosas are my spirit animal" it's a little dismissive of their beliefs.

For awhile JK Rowling said to use patronus instead, but now that she's a terf POS, the best thing to use IMHO is fursona.

Anyways, this really isn't surprising after seeing her at a baseball game with Bush. She's not about the little people, probably never was.

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I love the "this can't be Ellen, she's The Queen of Nice!" argument against these allegations. "But Bill Cosby is America's Dad!"

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I mean it’s an apples and oranges comparison really. I get what you’re saying, but what she’s accused of (and really it’s more members of her staff than her directly) versus what Cosby actually did and is serving time for are radically different.

I’m not a huge Ellen fan or anything either. I casually will watch a segment if she’s on (more if my mom happens to have her on), but that’s it. I just feel like it’s way too easy to throw out accusations now days without a lot of proof and we’re just expected to believe the person doing the accusing.

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I'm not equating Cosby's rape of 30+ women with Ellen just being a rancid c(u)nt, but responding to any allegation with some publicist's catchphrase is an exercise in vapidity.

And again, if it were a handful of allegations, no one would care. It's literally dozens up dozens of them submitted from former and current employees. Where there's smoke...

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Because she went to a baseball game with Bush?

Well, Michelle Obama is friends with George W. Bush too, “loves him to death”, and defended Ellen’s friendship with him. So she must also be a bad person, and whatever rumors or accusations get thrown at Michelle, must be true since she’s friends with Dubya.

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I think she said something online that people from both political parties could get along and Reese Witherspoon liked that quote.

If she was gone I would miss her show

She had the closest thing to having a late night talk show in the afternoon and she got the A-list guests and all the top notch musical talent performing on her show.

I did not watch it everyday but nice to know it was there if you wanted to watch it.

Drew Barrymore has a talk show so the competition is heating up.

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The criticism is not that George W. Bush is a Republican, it's that he invaded a country under false pretense. There were no Weapons of Mass Destruction. And it costs the lives of over 4,000 of our soldiers, and the lives of over 200,000 Iraqi civilians.

And under his administration he authorized torture of terrorists and people suspected of terrorism.

You can't just say, We hold different political opinions but we can still be friends!

Now, if she wants to watch a ball game with W I don't care too much. I'm more concerned with the people who were complicit in voting to authorize the Iraq invasion in the first place.

When her show first debuted I thought it was great. It probably is still good I just don't watch day-time television. But this whole thing about her putting up this "queen of nice" facade for the public...no shit. Of course entertainers are going to put up a particular persona for the public. If she promotes kindness and inclusivity through her show and public persona, that's a good thing, right? I wish more entertainers did that instead of promoting violence, drug use, promiscuity, materialism, and other vices. Is she a phony because she wasn't nice to her bodyguard or was "cold" off-camera to someone? Oh no, she watched a ball game with Dubya!

The actual issues and complaints former employees of the Ellen show have toward their bosses, whoever they may be should be handled by whatever legal means are available. But all this extra stuff about how she's not as nice off-camera as she is on-camera is so fucking petty. It reminds me of how women in the business world were called things like "bitch" for being tough and take charge, but men in the business world who acted the same way were called "assertive."

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You know, I hadn't really watched daytime TV in decades... until COVID-19, and my wife and I have been working fulltime out of the house for the last four months. Sometimes I'll leave the TV on in the background while I work, mostly as background noise.

I gotta admit, Ellen's show kind of reminds me of the Dinah Shore/Mike Douglas daily afternoon shows from when I was a wee turtle. They were on for like 90 minutes every day and they were sort of a reassuring presence every day, with guests, music, etc. She kind of has that vibe that I guess.

Still - why do I believe these allegations about her and her show? I've always liked Ellen in general -- her standup from the 80s/early 90s was actually pretty funny back in the day. But somehow the accusations still ring totally true.

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Because like every single fucking performer in the history of entertainment, Ellen has a persona that she puts on for the public/camera.
And like brayzie says, she's a woman and she's the boss, so if she is tough or mean, she's labeled a horrendous bitch. But if David Letterman or Johnny Carson are complete assholes, which they were, it's all good because that's what being a tough man in charge is about.

Now, take everything you have ever heard about Ellen and all these charges (except the racist stuff) about what goes on in the ELLEN SHOW workplace, and guess what? You have a description of every single workplace in America.
"I got fired because I took an extended leave of absence; otherwise, I was a perfect employee."
"I got fired because the bosses had an irrational hatred of me."
"People weren't nice to me, but they were nice to everybody else."
"Jimmy Kimmel is paying his crew to stay home during the pandemic, but Ellen is only giving us part-time wages (for not working at all)."

The show has been on for 17 years, which means it has employed hundreds of people. If this place was truly terrible, you wouldn't be hearing a few vague complaints from a few people.

And again, all that racist stuff, which is what is driving the current concern and forcing investigation, is coming from ONE person.

The story behind EVERY daily TV show is the same. There is a lot of tension and pressure involved in making an hour of fun TV every day. These are not normal workplaces, and some people are not going to fit in. And sometimes a squeaky wheel is just a liability that can be replaced.
If you are working behind the scenes at a comedy show, and you have a thin skin about jokes, they just want you gone.

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She gave out a lot of money and checks to struggling families and people in need and reunited husbands who were fighting overseas with their families.

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Yeah, but she sometimes yells at her employees, and she was polite to a former Republican president, so those good things don't count for shit.

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Syndicated daytime television is a lucrative and cutthroat business. Hard to read this situation from the outside without insider knowledge. Could be a few disgruntled employees with an ax to grind, or a move by rivals looking to open up her slot on stations across the country. Literally tens and hundreds of millions are on the line in revenue. Could even be her corporate bosses thinking they can get the same ratings with a cheaper replacement.

It appears to be an attempt to permanently damage her reputation so she doesn't come back on the air under another show.

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ONE: Ellen has been #1 and dominant in the Women 25-64 and Adults 25-64 demographics for a decade. Her corporate bosses would give her the world to keep her on the air and delivering them profits. Same thing with her time slot. No station that has Ellen on wants to see her go. The idea that there could be any sort of organized effort to get her off the air by anyone with a financial stake in her show's existence is ludicrous.

TWO: Ellen signed a renewal last year to keep the show going until 2022. She was open at that time about the fact that she was considering retiring from doing a daily show. In 2022, she will be 64 years old. If she quits then, she may not (and probably won't) retire from show business, but she will not become involved any any venture that requires a similar commitment of time or effort.

THREE: All the reporting about the toxic environment at her show is based on anonymous complaints from a relatively small number of former employees. If the culture really was as bad as they make out, they would put their names to their complaints, and there would be A LOT of people (the show has been on for almost 20 years) with A LOT of bad stuff to say.

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Do you understand what generally happens to powerless whistleblowers in any industry? They don't last long in that industry.

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After the meeting, she left work for the day and never returned to The Ellen DeGeneres Show. She said she has no plans to ever work in the entertainment industry again. For years, she felt “a fear of speaking out” but is now inspired to share her experience because of recent conversations about race in Hollywood and other workplaces.

No reason for this person to be anonymous.

Also, in the post-#MeToo era, hasn't it been established that (especially within the entertainment industry) people need to step forward and go public with their complaints because it establishes an atmosphere where others can come forward.

I'll say it over and over, if you have been running a workplace for 20 years and just a dozen anonymous ex-employees have complaints, then you are running a great workplace.

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I have a friend/colleague who is a tape operator for Ellen's show. He's been quiet about this whole thing. I think it's mainly because he wants to keep his job and wants to stay out of this.

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She took the crown when Oprah left.

She is probably glad she never hired Gabrielle Union as a guest host or it could be a lot worse.