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Old 03-20-24, 06:02 AM
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Re: James Clavell's Shogun - Limited Series (FX) - premieres 2/27/24

Fujiko was one of my favorite characters in the book and the actress playing her is doing a great job playing her.
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Re: James Clavell's Shogun - Limited Series (FX) - premieres 2/27/24

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Apparently Blackthorne likes very gamey tasting pheasant! Google says it's a thing with game birds. He ordered it hung for a week but the gardener cut it down before that.

As soon as he hung the bird I remembered that someone was going to take it down and be killed for it.
I was confused about that too. Also didn't he make the nasty stew out of it? The one that they wouldn't eat and ordered it thrown into the sea? If so, why was the pheasant still there? And if not, what did Blackthorn serve them?
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Re: James Clavell's Shogun - Limited Series (FX) - premieres 2/27/24

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I was confused about that too. Also didn't he make the nasty stew out of it? The one that they wouldn't eat and ordered it thrown into the sea? If so, why was the pheasant still there? And if not, what did Blackthorn serve them?
He served them rabbit stew. At that time in Japan eating meat (meaning four-legged mammals) had been mostly banned for centuries. Oddly enough rabbits weren't considered "meat" since they were classified as two-legged.

As for the pheasant, it was common to let them "rot" by hanging to age and dry as a way of making them taste better. Some hunters still do this with game birds today but hopefully with fewer flies.
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Re: James Clavell's Shogun - Limited Series (FX) - premieres 2/27/24

For book/mini series fans, the moment the pheasant was shown at the beginning you knew what was coming. Itís interesting to expect that and yet still have the tension/anticipation.
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Re: James Clavell's Shogun - Limited Series (FX) - premieres 2/27/24

As I said a bit ago, I'm waiting until April to watch this with our oldest when our lives get a little quieter, so I enjoy reading your talk about this (I read the book several times so I'm not concerned on spoilers).

However, it's been a while since I watched the original miniseries, and I think I will watch it this summer on my newly-arrived Blu-ray. Would there be enough people who want to find a similar timeframe to watch it and have a discussion thread so it's more or less in "real time" as we take in episodes?
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Re: James Clavell's Shogun - Limited Series (FX) - premieres 2/27/24

the seeds for war is imminent.
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Re: James Clavell's Shogun - Limited Series (FX) - premieres 2/27/24

The side eye and tea sipping from Fujiko when Mariko and Goyoko, I don’t think they name her on the show, were negotiating was great





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Re: James Clavell's Shogun - Limited Series (FX) - premieres 2/27/24

Whoah, some good stuff this week. Toranaga declaring war was a good way to end it.

I loved the little subtle moments when Blackthorne, Mariko and Lady Kiku was interacting with each other. It had such a poetic nature to it. And then we see Lady Kiku's boyfriend giving the jealous eye.

and I loved Mariko's negotiating tactics with the Mama-San

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Re: James Clavell's Shogun - Limited Series (FX) - premieres 2/27/24

The show has been diverging somewhat from the book the last 2 episodes.

This ep was badically setting everything up for the rest of the series. Still a lot for them to squeeze into 3 episodes.
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Re: James Clavell's Shogun - Limited Series (FX) - premieres 2/27/24

This show is SO DAMN GOOD! I really enjoyed tonight's episode. Poor
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that was not a glorious death.
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Re: James Clavell's Shogun - Limited Series (FX) - premieres 2/27/24

That death is going to have some interesting ramifications. But, it was obvious Toranga’s half brother was shady.

I liked the opening flashback when Toranaga was a child and already a leader.
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Re: James Clavell's Shogun - Limited Series (FX) - premieres 2/27/24

My biggest complaint about this series is the opening credits. Looks like they were trying to rip off the Game of Thrones credits, not sure they fit Shogun.

FX is loading up each episode with more commercials than I've ever seen.
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Re: James Clavell's Shogun - Limited Series (FX) - premieres 2/27/24

I like the credits and think they look awesome.
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Re: James Clavell's Shogun - Limited Series (FX) - premieres 2/27/24

Originally Posted by PhantomStranger
My biggest complaint about this series is the opening credits. Looks like they were trying to rip off the Game of Thrones credits, not sure they fit Shogun.

FX is loading up each episode with more commercials than I've ever seen.
They fit Shogun as they are Japanese Zen Gardens and go back almost 800 years before the events of Shogun.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_dry_garden

No commercials on (ad free) Hulu/Disney+
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Re: James Clavell's Shogun - Limited Series (FX) - premieres 2/27/24

I'm conversationally fluent in Japanese, I know what a Zen garden is. Still don't like the opening graphics.
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Re: James Clavell's Shogun - Limited Series (FX) - premieres 2/27/24

Originally Posted by PhantomStranger
My biggest complaint about this series is the opening credits. Looks like they were trying to rip off the Game of Thrones credits, not sure they fit Shogun.
By the second episode I started doing the GoT theme during the Shogun opening credits (da-dum da-dee da-dum...). My wife laughed and agreed that it was very reminiscent of GoT.

By the fourth episode she was telling me to knock it off by the second "da."
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Re: James Clavell's Shogun - Limited Series (FX) - premieres 2/27/24

that certainly was a tense episode. perfect buildup for a grand finale.

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Re: James Clavell's Shogun - Limited Series (FX) - premieres 2/27/24

The reveal that the church was going to be next to the Courtesan Tea Houses was good.

No Fujiko

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Re: James Clavell's Shogun - Limited Series (FX) - premieres 2/27/24

Lord Hiromatsu

Man, what a tense and also sad episode. A lot of tension in that one scene over a disagreement.

When Blackthorne was confronted by one of his men and then they got into a scuffle and he was later disgusted by how filthy he was. There was a very similar scene in the original miniseries.

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Re: James Clavell's Shogun - Limited Series (FX) - premieres 2/27/24

I thought it was a very strong episode. My only wish was that I wish they hadn't included the scene that confirmed this was all part of Toranaga's grand plans.
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Re: James Clavell's Shogun - Limited Series (FX) - premieres 2/27/24

Originally Posted by PhantomStranger
I'm conversationally fluent in Japanese, I know what a Zen garden is. Still don't like the opening graphics.
THAT is your complaint of the show? It's an amazing show and you don't like the opening graphics -- of which you could probably just fast forward thru.
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Originally Posted by Decker
I thought it was a very strong episode. My only wish was that I wish they hadn't included the scene that confirmed this was all part of Toranaga's grand plans.
I think they had to confirm it because his son's and friend's deaths would have been in vain as we wait another week to find out wtf is going to happen. It was a pretty climactic way to end the episode.
Out of curiosity, are we to assume that his friend's suicide was a part of the plan (that he was in on) or was it just coincidence that helped move Toranaga's plan along?
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I think they had to confirm it because his son's and friend's deaths would have been in vain as we wait another week to find out wtf is going to happen. It was a pretty climactic way to end the episode.
Out of curiosity, are we to assume that his friend's suicide was a part of the plan (that he was in on) or was it just coincidence that helped move Toranaga's plan along?
In the official podcast they say that Toranaga never asked Hiramatsu to commit seppuku but the old man knew it was necessary to spare the lives of the insurrectionist generals. In that moment both men fully realized what he was doing and how important it was so there was nothing Toranaga could do to stop it.
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Re: James Clavell's Shogun - Limited Series (FX) - premieres 2/27/24

Originally Posted by Rob V
Out of curiosity, are we to assume that his friend's suicide was a part of the plan (that he was in on) or was it just coincidence that helped move Toranaga's plan along?
I listen to the official show podcast, and they touched on this point and gave some background that wasn't obvious to me while watching that scene:
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Three of Toranaga's other generals were planning to commit seppuku during that meeting with Toranaga, in protest of his plans. Hiromatsu knew this and basically jumped in and did it himself so they wouldn't have to. Toranaga had expected the generals to do it, and that was part of his secret plan to make his rivals believe he was truly surrendering. Hiromatsu's act was unexpected, but will serve the same purpose.



Also, I didn't know this but learned from the podcast that the city Toranaga is building, Edo, will eventually
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become Tokyo.


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Re: James Clavell's Shogun - Limited Series (FX) - premieres 2/27/24

Originally Posted by Decker
This show is SO DAMN GOOD! I really enjoyed tonight's episode. Poor
Spoiler:
Nagakado,




that was not a glorious death.
It certainly wasn't. In fact it was screwball goofy. I actually groaned in disappointment at how dumb it was in this otherwise superbly well-made and well-written show.

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