Go Back  DVD Talk Forum > Entertainment Discussions > TV Talk
Reload this Page >

James Clavell's Shogun - Limited Series (FX) - premieres 2/27/24

TV Talk Talk about Shows on TV

James Clavell's Shogun - Limited Series (FX) - premieres 2/27/24

Old 03-07-24, 07:32 AM
  #101  
DVD Talk Legend
 
Rob V's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: On the lake
Posts: 12,676
Received 377 Likes on 304 Posts
Re: James Clavell's Shogun - Limited Series (FX) - premieres 2/27/24

Originally Posted by eXcentris
I can't wait to watch this, and only have one worry? Is Anna Sawai any good? Because the Cate character in Monarch was terrible.
IMO, she's excellent in this. Shows how important the script and direction is.
Old 03-07-24, 10:28 AM
  #102  
DVD Talk Legend
 
bluetoast's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 11,702
Received 273 Likes on 206 Posts
Re: James Clavell's Shogun - Limited Series (FX) - premieres 2/27/24

Originally Posted by Bandoman
I agree with all the praise for this show, it's an amazing spectacle with a great story and top notch acting. I loved the old miniseries, but this far surpasses the Richard Chamberlain version.
Richard Chamberlainís crazy scene can never be surpassed.


The following users liked this post:
Bandoman (03-08-24)
Old 03-07-24, 11:50 AM
  #103  
Moderator
 
story's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2000
Location: Hope.
Posts: 13,912
Received 1,885 Likes on 1,114 Posts
Re: James Clavell's Shogun - Limited Series (FX) - premieres 2/27/24

I'll use his "monologue" for my next audition.
Old 03-08-24, 03:18 AM
  #104  
DVD Talk Ultimate Edition
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Very far away..
Posts: 4,999
Likes: 0
Received 87 Likes on 66 Posts
Re: James Clavell's Shogun - Limited Series (FX) - premieres 2/27/24

Originally Posted by eXcentris
I can't wait to watch this, and only have one worry? Is Anna Sawai any good? Because the Cate character in Monarch was terrible.
Exactly. Terrible character. But that was not the fault of Sawai. She's great in Shogun.
Old 03-10-24, 03:08 PM
  #105  
DVD Talk Legend
 
Cellar Door's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Texas
Posts: 11,675
Received 999 Likes on 619 Posts
Re: James Clavell's Shogun - Limited Series (FX) - premieres 2/27/24

I just got caught up on this. I've never read the novel, and I have vague recollections of my parents watching the original mini-series back in the day, but I was a little kid and didn't really pay close attention to it back then. The first three episodes of this version have been fantastic. I agree with some of the comments that there is something a little odd about the portrayal of Blackthorne. The actor seems a little, I don't know, squirrely? But it doesn't really detract from the show for me, it's all really very well done. I may need to rewatch episode 3 just to make sure I am clear on all the political maneuvering and dealing going on.


Originally Posted by DJariya
I liked the ending with Blackthorne teaching Toranaga how to dive.
I thought for sure that was setting up a joke about Blackthorne needing a bath, as a callback to the scene in an earlier episode where he turned one down.
Old 03-12-24, 02:02 AM
  #106  
DVD Talk God
Thread Starter
 
DJariya's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: La Palma, CA
Posts: 78,902
Received 3,627 Likes on 2,603 Posts
Re: James Clavell's Shogun - Limited Series (FX) - premieres 2/27/24

New episode dropped.

Holy shit that ending

Another solid episode. Some really great moments between Blackthorne and Mariko. And for a second, I actually thought they hooked up. Or did they?

Liked that Blackthorne and Fuji-sama bonded even though both were brought into that arrangement unwillingly.
Old 03-12-24, 09:41 AM
  #107  
Inane Thread Master, 2018 TOTY
 
OldBoy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Are any of us really anywhere?
Posts: 49,374
Received 898 Likes on 759 Posts
Re: James Clavell's Shogun - Limited Series (FX) - premieres 2/27/24

ďAnd, fuck yourself, you sniveling, little shit bag." John is so genuine and such a badass. gruesome ending. Love this show!
Old 03-12-24, 10:02 AM
  #108  
Moderator
 
story's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2000
Location: Hope.
Posts: 13,912
Received 1,885 Likes on 1,114 Posts
Re: James Clavell's Shogun - Limited Series (FX) - premieres 2/27/24

My kid who I think would really love this show is neck-deep in tech rehearsals for their school musical, and I've been waiting for her. Thing is, the next week is a huge week at work and then we have some spring break travel, so we may not get to this until at least mid-April. That said, all of your glowing reviews really have me excited for this one. I think it will be worth the wait!
Old 03-12-24, 06:05 PM
  #109  
DVD Talk Legend
 
Cellar Door's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Texas
Posts: 11,675
Received 999 Likes on 619 Posts
Re: James Clavell's Shogun - Limited Series (FX) - premieres 2/27/24

Originally Posted by DJariya
Holy shit that ending
No kidding! I was ready for something to happen, but that took me by surprise.

Another solid episode. Some really great moments between Blackthorne and Mariko. And for a second, I actually thought they hooked up. Or did they?
Is it supposed to be ambiguous to the viewer? My tv screen is kind of dark so I couldn't tell for sure if it was Mariko or not, but I don't know if it was easier to see on brighter screens. Gotta be her, though, right?
Old 03-12-24, 06:13 PM
  #110  
DVD Talk God
Thread Starter
 
DJariya's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: La Palma, CA
Posts: 78,902
Received 3,627 Likes on 2,603 Posts
Re: James Clavell's Shogun - Limited Series (FX) - premieres 2/27/24

Originally Posted by Cellar Door
No kidding! I was ready for something to happen, but that took me by surprise.


Is it supposed to be ambiguous to the viewer? My tv screen is kind of dark so I couldn't tell for sure if it was Mariko or not, but I don't know if it was easier to see on brighter screens. Gotta be her, though, right?
It looked like her, but she said it was a Courtesan. She kind of had a smile on her face after she told him. I couldn’t tell either it was too dark.
The following users liked this post:
Cellar Door (03-12-24)
Old 03-12-24, 06:51 PM
  #111  
MrX
DVD Talk Hero
 
MrX's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Chicago
Posts: 25,797
Received 254 Likes on 192 Posts
Re: James Clavell's Shogun - Limited Series (FX) - premieres 2/27/24

Originally Posted by Cellar Door
Is it supposed to be ambiguous to the viewer? My tv screen is kind of dark so I couldn't tell for sure if it was Mariko or not, but I don't know if it was easier to see on brighter screens. Gotta be her, though, right?
It’s intentionally unclear. In the book Blackthorne isn’t sure if it was Mariko or not afterwards.
The following 2 users liked this post by MrX:
Bandoman (03-13-24), Cellar Door (03-12-24)
Old 03-13-24, 12:29 PM
  #112  
Enormous Genitals
 
Bandoman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: a small cottage on a cul de sac in the lower pits of hell.
Posts: 37,220
Received 583 Likes on 335 Posts
Re: James Clavell's Shogun - Limited Series (FX) - premieres 2/27/24

Yes, it was unclear, although Mariko's reaction when Blackthorne discussed it the next morning sure implies it was her.

That ending was great! Usually I like to wait until a show has the entire season available to binge, but I just can't wait to see each episode.
Old 03-17-24, 03:18 PM
  #113  
DVD Talk Ultimate Edition
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Very far away..
Posts: 4,999
Likes: 0
Received 87 Likes on 66 Posts
Re: James Clavell's Shogun - Limited Series (FX) - premieres 2/27/24

Originally Posted by MrX
Itís intentionally unclear. In the book Blackthorne isnít sure if it was Mariko or not afterwards.
Unclear to him maybe, but to us it clearly was Sawai. So were we seeing what he was imagining/hoping?

If it indeed happened I find it wholly unbelievable in terms of character.
Old 03-17-24, 03:32 PM
  #114  
DVD Talk Godfather & 2020 TOTY Winner
 
Decker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 1999
Location: Vegas, Baby!
Posts: 75,626
Received 6,158 Likes on 4,191 Posts
Re: James Clavell's Shogun - Limited Series (FX) - premieres 2/27/24

I think that the point was plausible deniablility.
Old 03-17-24, 04:47 PM
  #115  
MrX
DVD Talk Hero
 
MrX's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Chicago
Posts: 25,797
Received 254 Likes on 192 Posts
Re: James Clavell's Shogun - Limited Series (FX) - premieres 2/27/24

The scene makes more sense in the book. In the book he’s drunk on sake and he believes it’s Mariko. The day after he asks her about and she tells him Fujiko and her sent Mariko’s maid to him as a gift.
Old 03-18-24, 09:14 PM
  #116  
DVD Talk Hero
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: East County
Posts: 35,172
Received 194 Likes on 159 Posts
Re: James Clavell's Shogun - Limited Series (FX) - premieres 2/27/24

The show is worth watching for Blackthorneís insults alone.

my son and I are really enjoying it.
Old 03-19-24, 12:41 PM
  #117  
Inane Thread Master, 2018 TOTY
 
OldBoy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Are any of us really anywhere?
Posts: 49,374
Received 898 Likes on 759 Posts
Re: James Clavell's Shogun - Limited Series (FX) - premieres 2/27/24

that sit down dinner/standoff between John and Mariko's husband was priceless.
Old 03-19-24, 03:04 PM
  #118  
Dan
DVD Talk Hero
 
Dan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: In the straps of boots
Posts: 27,991
Received 1,181 Likes on 834 Posts
Re: James Clavell's Shogun - Limited Series (FX) - premieres 2/27/24

I haven't watched today's episode yet, but this series has been excellent so far. How's the original series from 1980? I saw a Laserdisc copy at Half Price Books the other day
Old 03-19-24, 03:10 PM
  #119  
DVD Talk God
Thread Starter
 
DJariya's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: La Palma, CA
Posts: 78,902
Received 3,627 Likes on 2,603 Posts
Re: James Clavell's Shogun - Limited Series (FX) - premieres 2/27/24

The Shogun podcast from this week conformed that it was Mariko who slept with Blackthorne last week.

But, yeah another solid episode. That was the dinner party from hell. Buntaro is an asshole.

and I love the Fuji character. The actress who plays her spoke a little in the podcast through a translator.

and poor Uejiro. They took Blackthorne's words literally.

and that earthquake at the end was wild.
Old 03-19-24, 03:13 PM
  #120  
DVD Talk God
Thread Starter
 
DJariya's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: La Palma, CA
Posts: 78,902
Received 3,627 Likes on 2,603 Posts
Re: James Clavell's Shogun - Limited Series (FX) - premieres 2/27/24

Originally Posted by Dan
I haven't watched today's episode yet, but this series has been excellent so far. How's the original series from 1980? I saw a Laserdisc copy at Half Price Books the other day
It was very much in the style of the 1980s miniseries, which were big events back then. It's been probably been close to 20 years since I last watched it. But, I recall it was a entertaining series. Definitely different from this one.
Old 03-19-24, 03:41 PM
  #121  
DVD Talk Legend
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Twin Cities, US of A
Posts: 14,169
Received 173 Likes on 137 Posts
Re: James Clavell's Shogun - Limited Series (FX) - premieres 2/27/24

Nothing much to add to the praise already heaped upon this, but as someone who was never interested in the 1980 version I have to say I am very pleasantly surprised by how much I am enjoying this. My wife saw the original back in the day and loves it, with her only complaint being that she felt Richard Chamberlain made a better Blackthorne, but after a couple episodes she warmed up to Jarvis' version.
Old 03-19-24, 05:57 PM
  #122  
Inane Thread Master, 2018 TOTY
 
OldBoy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Are any of us really anywhere?
Posts: 49,374
Received 898 Likes on 759 Posts
Re: James Clavell's Shogun - Limited Series (FX) - premieres 2/27/24

I’m so glad they have original language with subs. I couldn’t and don’t want to imagine what the English dub sounds like.
Old 03-19-24, 11:45 PM
  #123  
DVD Talk Limited Edition
 
Join Date: Aug 1999
Posts: 5,287
Received 211 Likes on 187 Posts
Re: James Clavell's Shogun - Limited Series (FX) - premieres 2/27/24

Maybe I missed something, but I'm not clear why Blackthorne hung the pheasant outside and otherwise did nothing with it.

Last edited by DWilson; 03-19-24 at 11:53 PM.
Old 03-20-24, 12:16 AM
  #124  
DVD Talk Limited Edition
 
Join Date: Feb 2001
Posts: 6,205
Likes: 0
Received 233 Likes on 168 Posts
Re: James Clavell's Shogun - Limited Series (FX) - premieres 2/27/24

Wow, that earthquake was scary.
Old 03-20-24, 05:35 AM
  #125  
DVD Talk Ultimate Edition
 
Meathead's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Snowtown, USA
Posts: 4,274
Received 414 Likes on 285 Posts
Re: James Clavell's Shogun - Limited Series (FX) - premieres 2/27/24

Originally Posted by DWilson
Maybe I missed something, but I'm not clear why Blackthorne hung the pheasant outside and otherwise did nothing with it.
Apparently Blackthorne likes very gamey tasting pheasant! Google says it's a thing with game birds. He ordered it hung for a week but the gardener cut it down before that.

As soon as he hung the bird I remembered that someone was going to take it down and be killed for it.

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service -

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.