Re: The Walking Dead (S8E03) -- "Monsters" -- 11/5/17
 

I think THIS is the main problem with the show as there is no character development anymore as they go from one extreme to another and a new character takes their place. Now Jesus is the Morgan of 2 seasons ago.

It was an OK episode, but that’s how low the bar is anymore as this was one of the better episodes. Sadly, it’s become a show I watch out of obligation at this point.

Re: The Walking Dead (S8E03) -- "Monsters" -- 11/5/17
 

Well... just that one scene.

Re: The Walking Dead (S8E03) -- "Monsters" -- 11/5/17
 

The parts that weren't gay were retarded.

Re: The Walking Dead (S8E03) -- "Monsters" -- 11/5/17
 

That was the part I found odd in this episode. With Morgan's training he should have easily been able to take care of Jesus. Not only that but he had the staff and armor. Jesus was in a trenchcoat which should have restricted his mobility during a fight. Also Jesus hits Morgan on the armored parts of his body and Morgan seems to be in pain from it.

Re: The Walking Dead (S8E03) -- "Monsters" -- 11/5/17
 

I'll give this show credit...

I complained a lot last season (not on this forum though) about how boring it was and barely any action.

Well, this season they are delivering on the action. Even "24" didn't have this many shootouts in such a short amount of time.

Re: The Walking Dead (S8E03) -- "Monsters" -- 11/5/17
 

I watched the episode last night and for sure its lost its star. the plot holes are growing larger but I do have to wonder about the Morales comment that "Rick is a monster" and then seeing Daryl kill the guy Rick said they would let go is setting the show up for some kind of twist or something. (Where Rick and the crew are no longer the good guys.) I doubt TWD has that kind of long game going for it at this point. I don't read the comics but I'm pretty sure this is not where they are headed - I'm not sure they are really headed anywhere anymore.... :( Its not hard at all to argue that Rick and Co are now as bad as Negan given what they have done in cold blood a few times at this point...

Re: The Walking Dead (S8E03) -- "Monsters" -- 11/5/17
 

I think your assessment is pretty good about a twist in the show, but I just don't think they take the time (or care) to get that deep anymore. I think the season will be about the Pro-War people (Tara, Darryl, Morgan) vs the new doves (Rick, Jesus, Maggie). All of them will individually go at it each week on how far they should take this war with the Saviors and where the line is. But there will be no payoff as next year Tara will be a dove, and Maggie will be a Pro-War person for some unexplained reason the same way Morgan switched in a second.

Re: The Walking Dead (S8E03) -- "Monsters" -- 11/5/17
 

I remarked about this on another forum. My take is that it was an interesting statement and will deepen the divide between the pro-war and war-with-no-consequences camps. It will eat at Rick a lot.

The thing is most of these people are not part of Negan's inner circle (no longer is Dwight, BTW) and they don't know who the real monster is. I'm sure they know Negan isn't a good guy, but they know nothing about Rick's group. The Alexandrites, et al, have surely been demonized and made out to be real monsters.

The people fighting for Negan have no way of knowing that Rick doesn't kill everyone he meets. They don't know that he doesn't starve people, or beat them. They've been told he and his group are evil, horrible plagues upon the earth.

Propaganda.

Re: The Walking Dead (S8E03) -- "Monsters" -- 11/5/17
 

6 episodes. Shot before it even aired and without viewer criticism/input.

Yeah, it was good, but no way they could sustain that 7 season later with bigger seasons and a much bigger cast.

Re: The Walking Dead (S8E03) -- "Monsters" -- 11/5/17
 

So much stupidity.....Jesus/Morgan fight....letting Gregory into Hilltop...ugh.

Re: The Walking Dead (S8E03) -- "Monsters" -- 11/5/17
 

:lol:

Some serious whining/complaining in here. You all know what the show is. Will it get better? I don't know. Is it horrible? No it isn't. I like it for what it is, but then again I am not looking for much out of it either as I suspect most of the people that watch it may feel the same way. So many posts this sucks that sucks the show sucks. So much energy to spent on something that isn't entertaining you anymore.

Crazy.

Re: The Walking Dead (S8E03) -- "Monsters" -- 11/5/17
 

I disagree as I think the show had alot better character depth/character arcs in the first few seasons, where the show has lost a lot of that in the past 2-3 seasons. If the show was this dense from Season 1, then I honestly never would have gotten into it (I'm not a horror/zombie genre fan). The characters and their arcs were very well written early on, but the writers have just totally disregarded this part of the show lately. I used to watch every episode twice because there was little subtle things you would miss regarding character moments. There is nothing like that anymore, as I can watch this show as backround music and go on my smartphone for the hour and wouldn't miss a beat.

You look at a character like Carol from Season 1 and then look at her now, and she is a totally different person, yet it was a gradual arc that turned her into who she is today. Compared to now where Morgan is Mr. Zen last season and now he is the Terminator who doesn't even think twice about killing.

Sorry, but the complaining is legit in my view as this is just a different show then it was a few seasons back.

Re: The Walking Dead (S8E03) -- "Monsters" -- 11/5/17
 

Yeah. The show is what it is. It's been consistent in quality for several seasons now. Regardless of how it may have started out better, what it is now is what you get and that isn't going to change. Anybody still watching the show knows exactly what they're going to get, yet complain they don't get something different.

Re: The Walking Dead (S8E03) -- "Monsters" -- 11/5/17
 

I'm with this show till the end, regardless of how ridiculous it has become. Part of the fun of watching now is being able to tear it apart.

At least the zombie makeup effects never fail to impress.

Who knows, maybe AMC will listen to the complaints and give the show some kind of reboot in the writing and directing department (wishful thinking, right?).

Re: The Walking Dead (S8E03) -- "Monsters" -- 11/5/17
 

Most of my complaints are about specific portions of the show that are so silly they diminish the really decent parts, or about the occasional episode dedicated to a useless chatacter in an attempt to manipulate the audience into giving a crap about someone the audience has already voted off the island (ahem...Tara). Also, these are things that given even a little critical thought they could easily be avoided, so it comes off as stubborn, lazy, or showing contempt for the audience because they believe we are too dumb to know good from bad and will gobble any crumbs thrown our way.

Re: The Walking Dead (S8E03) -- "Monsters" -- 11/5/17
 

I actually agree with you. I still love the show. It's not high art, and I often think it's held to too high a standard for what it is. Let's face it, though, it's fun to talk about any show you like. And part of talking about it is the fun-natured complaining about the stupid things that happen.

Re: The Walking Dead (S8E03) -- "Monsters" -- 11/5/17
 

My wife asked me during this episode, is it this bad in the comics?

No, it's those fucking TV writers.

Jesus is an amazing character in the comic. In this he's a complete idiot everyone would love to see cut in pieces by Negan. So big fail.

Re: The Walking Dead (S8E03) -- "Monsters" -- 11/5/17
 

I think I can see the direction they are going, especially with Rick. They are setting up something that happens in the comics in a very heavy-handed way: (COMIC SPOILER FOLLOWS)

Re: The Walking Dead (S8E03) -- "Monsters" -- 11/5/17
 

To be fair, all movies and tv shows based on comics are shitty in comparison to the comic version. Even the best of the Marvel movies. But done right they're awesome in comparison to other movies and tv.

Re: The Walking Dead (S8E03) -- "Monsters" -- 11/5/17
 

But why was the show so great for the first 4 seasons?

Re: The Walking Dead (S8E03) -- "Monsters" -- 11/5/17
 

They stayed closer to the comics. The more they stray from the comics the worse the show is. This war is being handled very poorly compared to the comics.

Re: The Walking Dead (S8E03) -- "Monsters" -- 11/5/17
 

Agreed about staying closer to the comics, but they did manage to diverge quite a bit when creating new characters and arcs based on those characters.

Since S5 or S6, pretty much every time they diverged from the comic it sucked badly. My point was that the product can be very good even if based on the comics.

Re: The Walking Dead (S8E03) -- "Monsters" -- 11/5/17
 

The most hilarious part is the Negan bashing in Glen is straight out of the comics, including the graphic nature of it, and countless "fans" quote that as where the series went wrong. And in many cases, the rationale for bailing on the show.

Re: The Walking Dead (S8E03) -- "Monsters" -- 11/5/17
 

Just because the comic has it one way doesn't mean they had to follow it. Look at the GoT series. Had they followed the books exactly it would be quite different than it is today - and fans are very happy with it.

Re: The Walking Dead (S8E03) -- "Monsters" -- 11/5/17
 

They don't have to. But as many posts before mine pointed out, the series has been at it's best when they HAVE closely followed the comics for the larger plot points. Seems stupid to watch a show based on a comic (or any other written source) and complain when they follow that source material.