tanman

The problem with that though is that I can't fully blame CBS for going a different direction. Modern day TV audiences demand that. In a post Soprano world (Even though all us Star Trek fans know DS9 did it first) demand a darker tone with an overarching story. Everything is getting darker. Look at Superman and Batman. So I'm not entirely sure audiences would go for it. Especially if they are trying to capture a new audience (which again makes no sense why they'd hide it behind a paywall). And that is why in A LOT of ways Orville is more like Star Trek then STD is.

But all that being said I absolutely adore Star Trek and want it to succeed so we get new stories even though they won't be like our "old" beloved Star Trek.

Numanoid

Fully agree. Now this is Star Trek! Reminded me of "The Devil In The Dark" episode of TOS, with a gigantic budget. Every one of the characters is getting nicely fleshed out, and one of them is already dead! (And will be missed by no one.) Great story, amazing visuals, classic Trek themes.

And can we talk about that intro with the lightning storm on an alien planet that turns out to be a microscopic glimpse of the synthesizer (replicator) in action? I immediately rewound to watch it again. Now there's something we've never seen before.

Numanoid

Akiva Goldsman Defends "Darkness" of Star Trek: Discovery

http://www.denofgeek.com/us/tv/star-...trek-discovery

lisadoris

I like the journey of how we get to the TOS/TNG world from where we are today. It's one thing to present a world that says humanity has evolved into loving, tolerant creatures and it's another thing to show how that happens.

Loved the fourth episode and it seems we have an answer to why we've never heard of this propulsion system. I'll miss the recently deceased character but yeah, that death was deserved.

Fielding Mellish

I'm pretty much a fan of this show, but the Elon Musk line got a pretty huge eye-roll outta me.

DJariya

Good 4th episode. It was nice seeing Captain Georgiou (Yeoh) back even as a hologram.

Her gift to Michael (the telescope) was a nice touch. But, Michael probably feels like it's not deserved.

The Discovery coming in to rescue that colony from the Klingon attack did feel a little anti-climatic.

But yeah, too many Klingon dialogue scenes with subtitles.

Was surprised that they killed off:

Baron Of Hell

4th episode was great. Loved the giant six legged thing. Going to miss BSG lady. She should have been nicer to giant bear thing. I doubt they will have the creature for long. Looks like they can't jump without hurting it.

0073735963

Given what Musk may end up doing for Puerto Rico, who’s to say he didn’t invent transparent aluminum and thus deserve to be included in that list :-). Plus, gotta go to Mars first before exploring the rest of the galaxy.

Eric F

Yep. I was thinking to myself that Elon Musk couldn't have existed in the Trek universe. But why not revise that too...

The Antipodean

I'm liking this show more than I'm not, but Ep 4 was probably the weakest. Very ridiculous way to kill off a character - how stupid can you get?

The biggest stumbling block for me is the Klingons, and I LOVE TNG/TOS Klingons. Two big flaws - way over the top makeup that makes they all look like salamanders, and the decision to subtitle ALL the Klingon dialogue rather than dub it. You can't emote in Klingon really and the dialogue would work way better spoken, especially as they're getting into rather intricate discussions. I generally like the angle they're taking with the Klingons and the culture but the execution of it I'm finding very lacking.

I do love Lorca and how ambiguous they're making him, a refreshing change of pace for a Star Trek captain. I just wish some of the characters other than him, Saru and Michael had made any kind of impression so far.

Thrush

This was the best episode thus far. Redemption arc of Michael is shaping up to be interesting. But they have been inconsistent with the rules for that creature. They say it only kills in response to aggression. Yet he killed the Klingon when he had his back to it. Plus what aggression were they showing it when it was trying to break through the door.




I hate every scene with the Klingons an this is one of the reasons. The other is how the actors are delivering the Klingon dialogue. I don't know if its the makeup or what. But they all sound like they are struggling to speak. Like they just learned this language 2 days ago.

Hokeyboy

Really enjoy the show, but agree that the Klingon scenes are the weakest. I don't like the line delivery, and they've completely bleached away their undeniable, endearing charm: bravado, arrogance, lustiness, occasional silliness, etc. They are much more "alien" now, which was a noble effort but something was definitely lost in the translation.

For fuck's sake, give them some hair at least.

Defiant1

I miss bug-eyed Gowron and lust-for-life Martok so much! Fuck these nu-Klingons, who can barely enunciate.

I'm assuming nobody lives on the outer part of the saucer section? Because inertial dampers be damned, you're going to fly into a bulkhead when that carnival ride starts to spin!

Wolf359

Look at the scene again, the whole thing isn't spinning, just a layer on top. You can see that the lights are stationary.

Defiant1

Ah yes, you are correct!

milo bloom

Caught up with the last two episodes and while a big improvement over the opener, it still feels like a missed opportunity. It’s getting smarter, and feeling more like Trek, but it still doesn’t feel like ten years before TOS. This could easily have been done post Nemesis.

I am glad we have The Orville as a companion show - it has the heart and optimism that Discovery doesn’t yet have.

Why So Blu?

This 4th episode was great. Love the creature, glad that bitch Commander is dead. LOVED the way the ship looked when it spun to transport -- and I guess that creature is sort of a map or GPS system?

milo bloom

Thinking about it more, it reminds me of the guild navigators from Dune. Big ugly creatures in tanks full of floating stuff that can fold space.

And I'm definitely getting vibes of that Voyager episode where the other ship (the Equinox I believe) was squishing space critters as a fuel source and Janeway had to shut them down. That will explain why we don't see it in TOS.

Defiant1

Yeah, I was thinking of the Guild Navigators as well.

Yeah, no way will the Federation allow creatures to be enslaved just to make ships travel. I'm also guessing there will be some sort of harsh side effects to prolonged exposure that prevent the Klingons, Romulans, and every other warp-capable civilization from using spore drive.

milo bloom

Maybe one of the side-effects will be that it "shakes" the timeline ever so slightly, just enough to fix the Klingons and give Starfleet the right uniforms/bridge designs

Goldberg74

And with episode 5 we get a few f-bombs. Classy CBS. Classy.

Tom Banjo

So, the last scene. The music got creepy like I was supposed to be seeing something weird in the mirror, but I didn’t see anything off. Did I miss something there?
And hearing “fuck” on ST just feels wrong.

stvn1974

"beam me the fuck up, Scottie"

"live long and fucking prosper"

"Ill-fucking-logical"

Goldberg74

Yeah, the guy in the mirror had already left the room... once.

Creepy is right.

General Zod

Yeah I believe they wanted to show he's out of phase - as a consequence of what he did.

I'm having trouble staying interested in this series.. I'm watching it but I keep catching myself checking email or whatever and having to re-focus. I usually don't do that.