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Old 01-10-18, 03:11 PM
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Re: Star Trek: Discovery (CBS All-Access) -- Season 1 Thread -- Premieres 9/24/17

Originally Posted by Baron Of Hell
Yeah this was the best episode so far. I loved every minute.
I was very "meh" about it, having seen "Mirror, Mirror" a number of times.

Tilly always brings the awesome though.
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Re: Star Trek: Discovery (CBS All-Access) -- Season 1 Thread -- Premieres 9/24/17

Originally Posted by Josh-da-man
The way I see the differences in the various incarnations of Star Trek is that each series is an artifact of the era in whichnit was made.

TOS takes place in the 2260s, and was made in the 1960s, so it reflects that.

TNG takes place in the 2360s, and was made in the 1980s, and reflects that.

VOY takes place in the 2250s, and is made in 2017, and it reflects that.

These series are all visions of the same future, filtered through the era in which they were made. Advances in science, culture, storytelling, technology, and special effects will be reflected in this.

Look at it this way, if Captain Kirk encountered dinosaurs in the 1960s Star Trek, they would look like this:



If Captain Lorca encounters dinosaurs on DSC, they will look like this:



If you can reconcile that the 1960s Klingons look the way they do because that was the best they could do at the time, 1980s Klingons look the way they do because of advances in makeup, and 2017 Klingons look the way they do because of increased budgets and changing aesthetics, then it makes being a Trekker much easier.
There was no reason for the visual reboot to be so extreme except for the show runners to be able to put their own mark on it. They could have done a much better job of updating the TOS aesthetic while still being true to that look.
To me it’s just made it harder to get into the show, with only 3 of the first 9 eps being what I would call “good”.


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But anyways this makes it 4 out of 10. Going to The Mirror universe may have been predictable but if you make it good that doesn’t matter and this was damn good. Captain Killy was amazing and Ash killing Dr Culber was heartbreaking.

And of course we will be going into the palace.

And I loved the shout-out to the Defiant. Tying together all the series is a good thing in my book, I just wish the look of the show wasn’t such an obstacle to enjoying it.
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Re: Star Trek: Discovery (CBS All-Access) -- Season 1 Thread -- Premieres 9/24/17

I think its obvious at this point that Lorca intentionally sent them there.
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Re: Star Trek: Discovery (CBS All-Access) -- Season 1 Thread -- Premieres 9/24/17

I just watched the latest episode and suprised how much I liked it.

Don't know if it was noted here but this episode was directed by Jonathan Frakes (Riker) of ST Next Generation.
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Re: Star Trek: Discovery (CBS All-Access) -- Season 1 Thread -- Premieres 9/24/17

Originally Posted by Josh-da-man
The way I see the differences in the various incarnations of Star Trek is that each series is an artifact of the era in whichnit was made.

TOS takes place in the 2260s, and was made in the 1960s, so it reflects that.

TNG takes place in the 2360s, and was made in the 1980s, and reflects that.

VOY takes place in the 2250s, and is made in 2017, and it reflects that.

These series are all visions of the same future, filtered through the era in which they were made. Advances in science, culture, storytelling, technology, and special effects will be reflected in this.

Look at it this way, if Captain Kirk encountered dinosaurs in the 1960s Star Trek, they would look like this:



If Captain Lorca encounters dinosaurs on DSC, they will look like this:



If you can reconcile that the 1960s Klingons look the way they do because that was the best they could do at the time, 1980s Klingons look the way they do because of advances in makeup, and 2017 Klingons look the way they do because of increased budgets and changing aesthetics, then it makes being a Trekker much easier.
Voyager took place in the 2370's not the 2250's. It was just about 7-8 years ahead of the first season of TNG when it first premiered.
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Re: Star Trek: Discovery (CBS All-Access) -- Season 1 Thread -- Premieres 9/24/17

Loved that they are doing an arc of episodes in the MU. All hail Emperor Georgiou! Her outfit was badass. Cosplay fans are going to have a ball recreating these costumes.

As for AshVoq, there are so many paths they could take his character now. Do they "fix" him so he stays with the good guys, a la Seven of Nine, or does he become their Big Bad?

The new Andorian and Tellarite makeup was amazing. Now that's how you do an update with modern techniques!
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Re: Star Trek: Discovery (CBS All-Access) -- Season 1 Thread -- Premieres 9/24/17

Originally Posted by movieguru
Voyager took place in the 2370's not the 2250's. It was just about 7-8 years ahead of the first season of TNG when it first premiered.
Shit, yeah.

For some reason I want to refer to Discovery as "Voyager."

No idea why, other than getting old. I hope it isn't early onset dementia.
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Re: Star Trek: Discovery (CBS All-Access) -- Season 1 Thread -- Premieres 9/24/17

Originally Posted by Defiant1
Loved that they are doing an arc of episodes in the MU. All hail Emperor Georgiou! Her outfit was badass. Cosplay fans are going to have a ball recreating these costumes.

As for AshVoq, there are so many paths they could take his character now. Do they "fix" him so he stays with the good guys, a la Seven of Nine, or does he become their Big Bad?

The new Andorian and Tellarite makeup was amazing. Now that's how you do an update with modern techniques!
Have to admit I did not actually see that twist coming but it makes a ton of sense.

Fully on board with this show now.
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Re: Star Trek: Discovery (CBS All-Access) -- Season 1 Thread -- Premieres 9/24/17

That was another great episode.
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Re: Star Trek: Discovery (CBS All-Access) -- Season 1 Thread -- Premieres 9/24/17

This show has really turned a corner for me. The last three episodes have been just great. The first 6 or so episodes had to do a lot of worldbuilding to get through, and I'm beginning to wish they had done a "planet of the week" episode to start off with, then go to Michael's mutiny.

But now they've really got their footing and using the Mirror Universe to show darker stories without feeling like they're missing the point of the series in the Prime Universe is a great use of the concept.

I'm really hoping the bridge of the Defiant still retains elements of it's original design aesthetic.
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Re: Star Trek: Discovery (CBS All-Access) -- Season 1 Thread -- Premieres 9/24/17

I just got caught up with the last 2 episodes that have aired since returning from the break.

Really great stuff. I'm liking this little evil doppelganger alternate universe arc.

Good call to whoever here figured out that Tyler was in fact a Klingon morphed into a human. I know someone here mentioned it.

I think this series is really hitting it's stride now.

Loved seeing Michelle Yeoh back now as an evil emperor.

Sarek in the goatee, wasn't that kind of a callback to an old Star Trek episode where Spock (from another universe?) had a goatee. I vaguely recall that.

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Re: Star Trek: Discovery (CBS All-Access) -- Season 1 Thread -- Premieres 9/24/17

Originally Posted by DJariya
Sarek in the goatee, wasn't that kind of a callback to an old Star Trek episode where Spock (from another universe?) had a goatee. I vaguely recall that.
Yep.
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Re: Star Trek: Discovery (CBS All-Access) -- Season 1 Thread -- Premieres 9/24/17

Certainly explains a LOT now doesn't it.
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Re: Star Trek: Discovery (CBS All-Access) -- Season 1 Thread -- Premieres 9/24/17

Originally Posted by hdtv00
Certainly explains a LOT now doesn't it.
Yep. All the signs were there and once we knew where they were a few episodes ago it wasn't difficult to assemble them. Glad (I guess) to see I was right.

It's also nice we didn't have to go to season 2 before everything was out in the open. It'll be interesting to see where things go from here.
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Re: Star Trek: Discovery (CBS All-Access) -- Season 1 Thread -- Premieres 9/24/17

I knew Lorca was space Woody Allen.
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Re: Star Trek: Discovery (CBS All-Access) -- Season 1 Thread -- Premieres 9/24/17

Holy shit. I did not expect that twist at all.

And wow this was the shortest Discovery episode. Only 37 minutes.
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Re: Star Trek: Discovery (CBS All-Access) -- Season 1 Thread -- Premieres 9/24/17

Yeah I didn't see that twist coming at all but it makes total sense.

Now I have questions: how long as the Alt-Lorca been in the Prime Universe? Where is the Prime-Lorca?
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Re: Star Trek: Discovery (CBS All-Access) -- Season 1 Thread -- Premieres 9/24/17

I would guess for quite some time now, a few years at least. It can't be a concidence that he got posted to a Starfleet ship that had an experiemental propulsion system capable of taking him back home.

I don't know if the internet people are that smart, or the clues were that badly hidden, but all of Discovery's big three twists (Voq is Tyler, they are in the MU and that Lorca is from the MU) were correctly predicted.

I guess the latest reveal is a convenient way of getting Jason Isaacs off the show by the end of the season, or at least reducing him to recurring guest star.

Fantastic episode though. I am thoroughly loving the MU arc, although I'd love to see what the real ISS Discovery is up to in the Prime Universe. It does seem to be a pivot away from the Klingon-heavy episodes from the first half of the season though. I know L'Rell and TyVoq are still in the mix, but their storyline has branched off from the original "Make Qo'Nos Great Again!" vibe.
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Re: Star Trek: Discovery (CBS All-Access) -- Season 1 Thread -- Premieres 9/24/17

Discovery has been really good the last few episodes. I'm really digging it. I also kinda guessed early on that Lorka was the mirror Lorka, based on the hint that Frakes gave at a con a few months ago.
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Re: Star Trek: Discovery (CBS All-Access) -- Season 1 Thread -- Premieres 9/24/17

I thought the Lorca twist was pretty predictable but still really well done.

"Can you keep a secret?" That was great.

They could go several directions now. Will be interesting to see where the journey goes.

On one hand Burnhams explanation of what Lorca is doing could be correct, but being "anti-Emperor" in the MU does not necessarily make him evil.

There is a different really big twist they can do which would be fun, not sure if they go there.
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Re: Star Trek: Discovery (CBS All-Access) -- Season 1 Thread -- Premieres 9/24/17

Originally Posted by Defiant1
I would guess for quite some time now, a few years at least. It can't be a concidence that he got posted to a Starfleet ship that had an experiemental propulsion system capable of taking him back home.
I'm wondering if he goes further back to Lorca's previous ship. Did the Prime Lorca or the Alt Lorca blow up his own crew? If Alt Lorca did it, was it just so he could get his hands on Discovery?
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Originally Posted by Defiant1
I don't know if the internet people are that smart, or the clues were that badly hidden, but all of Discovery's big three twists (Voq is Tyler, they are in the MU and that Lorca is from the MU) were correctly predicted.
I thought all of these reveals were super obvious (badly hidden), but I've still really enjoyed these latest episodes and the series overall. It doesn't need twists for me to like the characters and the story.

Voq is Tyler: Voq disappeared from the series right when Tyler showed up, following L'Rell talking about her tribe of spies and deceivers (i.e., infiltrators) and telling Voq he would have to sacrifice everything. I was a bit surprised that it was supposed to be a twist; I honestly thought they were spelling it out.

MU: When the ship did that last jump at the episode cliffhanger right before they traveled to the MU, it had a mirror image reflection. Normally it appears to drop down when using the spore drive (right?), but that time it split in two and one went down and one went up.

Lorca is Mirror Lorca: The MU hint above made it way more likely. Lorca was acting suspicious before the jump to the MU, blew up his old crew to avoid capture (total MU move), and manually screwed with the jump coordinates right before the jump to the MU (it said "Lorca override" or something on the control panel).
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Re: Star Trek: Discovery (CBS All-Access) -- Season 1 Thread -- Premieres 9/24/17

By the way, I really do like Culber a lot and I'm a little sad he's dead. Although I guess he'll live on in the mycelial network and his relationship with Stamets will continue on there, until the painful moment when Stamets must destroy the network to save the universe (or at least Starfleet) and finally say goodbye.
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Re: Star Trek: Discovery (CBS All-Access) -- Season 1 Thread -- Premieres 9/24/17

That was great. All of it. I did not see that twist with Lorca coming.

Also, when Stamets got up off the table I first thought it was our Stamets occupying his double's body. Now that would have been interesting...

I really hope they release the show on UHD Blu-Ray. I'd definitely pick it up.
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Re: Star Trek: Discovery (CBS All-Access) -- Season 1 Thread -- Premieres 9/24/17

Originally Posted by Eric F
That was great. All of it. I did not see that twist with Lorca coming.

Also, when Stamets got up off the table I first thought it was our Stamets occupying his double's body. Now that would have been interesting...

I really hope they release the show on UHD Blu-Ray. I'd definitely pick it up.

Likewise. Great twist and I was surprised.

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