TGM

re: supplies, I clearly remember someone pulling a sled of supplies before shit went down.

oh, HOW DO FIRE SWORDS WOOOOOOOOORK

Dr. DVD

After giving it some thought as someone who has played a fair amount of Assassin's Creed, Dragonage, and Skyrim, I think they I know how they accomplished the whole time issue. Once certain locations are reached by major characters, fast travel is available!

DaveyJoe

But you cannot fast travel when enemies are nearby!

bluetoast

Arya gets her faces from the same place the Ninja Turtles do.

JackoOnHisBacko

I also hated the time issues in this episode (like so many others here and elsewhere), but if they had actually gone and really killed Jon Snow via freezing/drowning, I would have felt better about it. The show used to be surprising like that. I *almost* thought Tormund might die, and that would have sucked, but been totally appropriate. But that is how the show used to be. I never really thought Jon Snow was going to die.

Yeah, so they killed some red shirts, and Thoros of Myr. But how many people who only watch the show, and don't read up on it, could even tell you what that guy's name was? <20%, I'm sure.

Why So Blu?

Beric won't be coming back from the dead anymore without Thoros, so that was a pretty eventful one. I doubt Melisandre will be much help.

Bill Needle

If we're going there, here's one of my favorites:

OldBoy

They all should have died. No way they can take on what they did for that long. Yeah, if Jaime had died in Spoils that would have been great and a wtf? moment. That he simply was easily rescued by Bronn was very implausible. This season has a lot of that. Still great of course but much more implausible circumstances this season...

kefrank

People always joke about how slow the Night King moves, but isn't he just marching around north of the Wall killing as many living things as he can to build up the army of the (un)dead before he moves south? It's not like he's actually supposed to be just inching along southward at a snail's pace...

JackoOnHisBacko

Then what is the point of the whole "Winter is Coming" thing? If he is never going to make it past the wall, what is the point?

JackoOnHisBacko

The Night King: "Hmm, I have this awesome fucking ice spear. Who should I throw it at? There is the biggest dragon of the three, sitting completely on the ground, with a bunch of people trying to climb onto it to escape, but there is also this other, smaller dragon, flying around in the sky, farther away, and a moving target, so harder to hit. Hmm. Which should I throw my spear at? The big grounded target, or the smaller, moving target?

kefrank

I didn't say he's never going to make it past the wall. He's closer now and his army is bigger now than its been in centuries, apparently - thus "Winter is Coming".

He'll get there when his army is ready, presumably before the show ends.

rocket1312

Good point. Beric can't come back anymore. That's a game changer.

davidh777

So the Night King is Robert Mueller?

DaveyJoe

Melisandre also raised somebody from the dead. And she's still out there(in Volantis?). Just saying.

kefrank

Pretty much

chowderhead

fast travel Gendry, Ravens and Daenaerys?
Where did the walkers get the chains?


wizards. The end.

andicus

In my defence, I at least bitched about the chains. Just not where they came from. Part marks?

Why So Blu?

I read a crazy theory that the Night King is actually

We'll see if that's true, but it's a neat concept.

jfoobar

You touched on something I had been thinking as well. They could have fixed most of these problems with better/more plausible set design and a tiny amount of additional footage. The little island they were standing on was attackable from at least 270 degrees and they were saved by a perfectly-timed giant circle of breaking ice. At the end, they were able to defend themselves from a force 100 times their own size for an extended period of time without any substantial topographic advantage to speak of. Absolute nonsense.

Instead:

• Put them in a more elevated position that was restricted to a single, more easily defended approach
• "save" them with a more plausible ice break
• Imply more passage of time with a small amount of additional footage (them eating a little from their supplies, perhaps melting water, even making a fire, why not?)

Combine this with a more plausible reason why Jon got separated at the end (again, use topography to your advantage here), Then all we would be left with is the ridiculous BenJen coincidence and the ridiculous basis for them being their to begin with and you'd have an episode that did not quite so strongly scream, "Haha! You'll eat any crap I serve you!!" into the face of its audience.

creekdipper

We also learned that one major character is an ancestor of Ernest T. Bass.




"It's me, it's me; it's Sandor C.!"

ytrez

So people are saying Longclaw's eye opens here:

blairwitchfan

The eyes are translucent, you're just seeing his hand as it comes up

starman9000

I didn't love the episode, but they were pulling a sled along in almost every shot.

Edit: Saw that TGM already said it:

Palaver

FYI. Your numbers are going to be a little off. Westeros is 3000 miles from north to south per that website. It's 900 from east to west.