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Old 08-22-17, 12:56 PM
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Re: Game of Thrones (S7E06) -- "Beyond the Wall" -- 8/20/17 -- 75 min episode

One thing about Benjen I don't think we've talked about yet is that as between alive and dead, he cannot travel past the wall, right? That may explain why he did not go with Jon (to some tiny degree at least.)
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Re: Game of Thrones (S7E06) -- "Beyond the Wall" -- 8/20/17 -- 75 min episode

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One thing about Benjen I don't think we've talked about yet is that as between alive and dead, he cannot travel past the wall, right? That may explain why he did not go with Jon (to some tiny degree at least.)
Yes. I believe he told Bran than when he saved him a while back.
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One thing about Benjen I don't think we've talked about yet is that as between alive and dead, he cannot travel past the wall, right? That may explain why he did not go with Jon (to some tiny degree at least.)
True, but he traveled with Bran all the way to the wall. As presented, he basically seemed to sacrifice himself for no need. The men he was fighting were not mounted and even a horse slowed by two passengers could have outrun them. Sure, I can use my imagination. Maybe he thought some of the mounted Night King lieutenants were nearby and he thought they'd be too slow together. Who knows? It is the telewriters job to give the scene more of an air of plausibility and they didn't do so, leaving the impression that Benjen just sacrificed himself with no need.

Plus, had he traveled with Jon, he could have gotten him to a safe distance and built a fire to warm him up, removing another complaint about this episode, which is that there is simply no way Jon would have survived the horse ride back to the wall. Without some dry blankets and a fire or perhaps Han Solo and a dead tauntaun sleeping bag, he was dead meat.
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Re: Game of Thrones (S7E06) -- "Beyond the Wall" -- 8/20/17 -- 75 min episode

We have to remember that Jon Snow was raised from the dead. He might be a bit more tenacious than the average person. Do we even know if Jon is a heart-beating, breathing, blood pumping organism or is he simply re-animated? But you're right, Jon Snow is literally dead meat.
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Re: Game of Thrones (S7E06) -- "Beyond the Wall" -- 8/20/17 -- 75 min episode

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True, but he traveled with Bran all the way to the wall. As presented, he basically seemed to sacrifice himself for no need. The men he was fighting were not mounted and even a horse slowed by two passengers could have outrun them. Sure, I can use my imagination. Maybe he thought some of the mounted Night King lieutenants were nearby and he thought they'd be too slow together. Who knows? It is the telewriters job to give the scene more of an air of plausibility and they didn't do so, leaving the impression that Benjen just sacrificed himself with no need.

Plus, had he traveled with Jon, he could have gotten him to a safe distance and built a fire to warm him up, removing another complaint about this episode, which is that there is simply no way Jon would have survived the horse ride back to the wall. Without some dry blankets and a fire or perhaps Han Solo and a dead tauntaun sleeping bag, he was dead meat.

HEROES. Heroic, often illogical shit is what they do.

Just like Jon stayed behind to allow an escape...so did Benjen. I don't think Benjen meant to die...but he was WILLING to die..er uh, die for real this time.

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Re: Game of Thrones (S7E06) -- "Beyond the Wall" -- 8/20/17 -- 75 min episode

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Then what is the point of the whole "Winter is Coming" thing? If he is never going to make it past the wall, what is the point?
"Winter is coming" is the motto of House Stark. It means they are vigilant and prepared. But it also has a second meaning within the context of the narrative, in that another long winter is coming in the near future.
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Re: Game of Thrones (S7E06) -- "Beyond the Wall" -- 8/20/17 -- 75 min episode

I just assumed Benjen didn't go with him because two full grown men would put too much strain on the horse and Jon needed to get back fast before he froze to death (which he already should have but that's another story).
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Re: Game of Thrones (S7E06) -- "Beyond the Wall" -- 8/20/17 -- 75 min episode

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I just assumed Benjen didn't go with him because two full grown men would put too much strain on the horse and Jon needed to get back fast before he froze to death (which he already should have but that's another story).
Nah, having him come along would have meant that the story writers would of had to flesh out back story for him and all that's happened while he was gone. I doubt that was story that Martin ever considered or outlined. Much easier this way.
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Remember when Melisandre was at the Wall and she didn't need a coat because "The Lord of Light keeps me warm." Why are we so sure that Jon would freeze to death after his resurrection when another character kissed by fire seemed impervious or at least not as affected by the cold?
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Re: Game of Thrones (S7E06) -- "Beyond the Wall" -- 8/20/17 -- 75 min episode

You know what would've been so much better than those stupid fucking chains?

If the Night King would've stared into the hole in the ice where the dragon fell, raised a hand, and zombie ice dragon comes flying out of the ice. Credits.
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Re: Game of Thrones (S7E06) -- "Beyond the Wall" -- 8/20/17 -- 75 min episode

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You know what would've been so much better than those stupid fucking chains?

If the Night King would've stared into the hole in the ice where the dragon fell, raised a hand, and zombie ice dragon comes flying out of the ice. Credits.
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Re: Game of Thrones (S7E06) -- "Beyond the Wall" -- 8/20/17 -- 75 min episode

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Remember when Melisandre was at the Wall and she didn't need a coat because "The Lord of Light keeps me warm." Why are we so sure that Jon would freeze to death after his resurrection when another character kissed by fire seemed impervious or at least not as affected by the cold?
Thoros of Myr was also a priest of the Lord of Light, and he pretty much froze to death in his sleep.
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I'm saving my complaints for when the statue of liberty is found half buried in the snow north of the wall.
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Re: Game of Thrones (S7E06) -- "Beyond the Wall" -- 8/20/17 -- 75 min episode

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We have to remember that Jon Snow was raised from the dead. He might be a bit more tenacious than the average person. Do we even know if Jon is a heart-beating, breathing, blood pumping organism or is he simply re-animated? But you're right, Jon Snow is literally dead meat.
Beric Dondarrion has been killed and resurrected via the same method six times now, so he is obviously still quite mortal. There is no reason to think that Jon isn't also still quite mortal. Admittedly, we don't have any reason to believe that Beric ever froze to death, but there is not anything in the show to indicate that Jon is somehow impervious to the cold. I'll stick with my "it's just shitty writing" theory for now.
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Re: Game of Thrones (S7E06) -- "Beyond the Wall" -- 8/20/17 -- 75 min episode

The only thing left separating the show from the Hobbit movies is that Thorin didn't say "c*nt" every other sentence.

Well, that and despite its recent and glaring flaws I'm still greatly enjoying Game of Thrones.
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Re: Game of Thrones (S7E06) -- "Beyond the Wall" -- 8/20/17 -- 75 min episode

The sad thing about this episode is that they had the perfect Deus Ex Machina in place to get around the travel silliness in this episode.

BRAN

So Jon leaves, then you have a scene of Bran having a vision of the fight and says "I need to send a Raven"

Dany gets message from Bran and says I have to go rescue Jon.

Tyrion says something like "but Jon won't even be to the wall for another day at least"

To which Dany says " It will take 3 days for Drogon to get to the wall. I may be out of time already"

All issues solved.
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Originally Posted by JackoOnHisBacko View Post
Thoros of Myr was also a priest of the Lord of Light, and he pretty much froze to death in his sleep.
FWIW, I think the implication was that he died from his wounds, not from the cold. His body was cold because he was dead, not the other way around.
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Re: Game of Thrones (S7E06) -- "Beyond the Wall" -- 8/20/17 -- 75 min episode

If Alan Taylor (the director) added little title cards saying....

"3 days later" or "900 miles later" would that have helped with all this time traveling bickering?
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If Alan Taylor (the director) added little title cards saying....

"3 days later" or "900 miles later" would that have helped with all this time traveling bickering?
That only works on Billions.
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Re: Game of Thrones (S7E06) -- "Beyond the Wall" -- 8/20/17 -- 75 min episode

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Thoros of Myr was also a priest of the Lord of Light, and he pretty much froze to death in his sleep.
He bled out after the bear attack.
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Re: Game of Thrones (S7E06) -- "Beyond the Wall" -- 8/20/17 -- 75 min episode

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If Alan Taylor (the director) added little title cards saying....

"3 days later" or "900 miles later" would that have helped with all this time traveling bickering?
The reason they don't do this is because they flat out can't. As it would make all this even more difficult for them, as they're already playing fast and loose with timelines and distances.
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Beric Dondarrion has been killed and resurrected via the same method six times now, so he is obviously still quite mortal. There is no reason to think that Jon isn't also still quite mortal. Admittedly, we don't have any reason to believe that Beric ever froze to death, but there is not anything in the show to indicate that Jon is somehow impervious to the cold. I'll stick with my "it's just shitty writing" theory for now.
Not according to George Martin:

Q: And Jon Snow, too, is drained by the experience of coming back from the dead on the show.

A: Right. And poor Beric Dondarrion, who was set up as the foreshadowing of all this, every time hes a little less Beric. His memories are fading, hes got all these scars, hes becoming more and more physically hideous, because hes not a living human being anymore. His heart isnt beating, his blood isnt flowing in his veins, hes a wight, but a wight animated by fire instead of by ice, now were getting back to the whole fire and ice thing.
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Or why not have Drogon turn his head and blast the Knight King and his Frozen Posse? Threat DONE, go fight Cersi, Aunt and Nephew fuck, have little Jons and Danys. CREDIT ROLL
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