The Flash (S3E21) -- "Cause and Effect" -- 5/9/17
 

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Re: The Flash (S3E21) -- "Cause and Effect" -- 5/9/17
 

Time travel in some shows is all over the place. They even know it at the start of the episode. If you never got any powers you are not going to know they are gone. And it's always odd when a future event is being affected by a change in the past when that change would stop the future event from happening in the first place.

I'm just going to enjoy the show and ignore it.

Even though time travel is something I like, maybe it's used a bit too much and a bit all over the place in this show.

Re: The Flash (S3E21) -- "Cause and Effect" -- 5/9/17
 

That picture above just reinforces how much I dislike Wally's mask.

And regarding time travel, this show is no Doctor Who.

Re: The Flash (S3E21) -- "Cause and Effect" -- 5/9/17
 

Ok, I still need clarification, Savitar-Barry is a time remnant created to stop Savitar who didn't get killed but didn't vanish and continues to live his life and go all evil and turned into Savitar-Barry. Was Savitar always time remnant Barry? I still don't get how time remnant Barry can fight savitar Barry and then become savitar Barry to kill iris so that present Barry can become future savitar Barry.

Re: The Flash (S3E21) -- "Cause and Effect" -- 5/9/17
 

Just like they said, it's a closed-loop/chicken and the egg scenario.

Barry creates Time Remnant Barry to help fight Savitar. TR Barry is shunned and becomes Savitar. Travels back in time as Savitar and progresses through history, killing Iris to get Barry to create TR Barry to fight him.

It's like Kyle Reese going back in time to protect Sarah Connor and becoming the father of John Connor, who then sends Kyle Reese back in time.

Time travel is wonky as hell on this show but this one sort of makes sense. And I do like that it's not just Future Barry.

Re: The Flash (S3E21) -- "Cause and Effect" -- 5/9/17
 

That's what I immediately thought of when Cisco was explaining it all.

I'm liking this story line outside of it taking far too long to get to what was an obvious reveal and outcome.

Re: The Flash (S3E21) -- "Cause and Effect" -- 5/9/17
 

I did like the acknowledgement by Barry that his time-travel abilities practically make him a god with too much power. Most shows avoid discussing the major ramification of a character having an unchecked power to travel through time. The temptation to mess with history would weigh on anyone.

This is why the comics usually limited Barry to traveling through time with the Cosmic Treadmill. He couldn't do it on his own unless it was a life-threatening event like Crisis.

It would be interesting to see time police from the future come to stop Barry, thinking he's a major threat to the universe.

Re: The Flash (S3E21) -- "Cause and Effect" -- 5/9/17
 

I liked that they called out Eddie's suicide not being able to stop the existence of the Reverse Flash. The more you mess with time, the more unstable it becomes.

I enjoyed the humor of the episode as well.

Re: The Flash (S3E21) -- "Cause and Effect" -- 5/9/17
 

Re: The Flash (S3E21) -- "Cause and Effect" -- 5/9/17
 

Same here!

Re: The Flash (S3E21) -- "Cause and Effect" -- 5/9/17
 

Caitlyn as Killer Frost :drool:

Re: The Flash (S3E21) -- "Cause and Effect" -- 5/9/17
 

I am all for Caitlyn adopting Killer Frost's wardrobe when she becomes "good" again.

I would do something shocking in the season finale, this show needs a jolt of life. Wally getting killed off wouldn't be the worst thing...

Re: The Flash (S3E21) -- "Cause and Effect" -- 5/9/17
 

I'm not for more shocking deaths or anything like that, but maybe a return to a more lighthearted, super-sciencey, fun vibe with an overarching storyline. Maybe a mystery through parallel earths or something like that. Give time travel a rest for a while.

Re: The Flash (S3E21) -- "Cause and Effect" -- 5/9/17
 

I'd be rooting for that.

Re: The Flash (S3E21) -- "Cause and Effect" -- 5/9/17
 

That won't happen unless it's part of a Flashpoint reboot to where he never becomes Kid Flash. Barry's seen both parents die, Iris die and even Joe died on Earth 2, right? Too much death around Barry as is. They've gone to that well too many times.

Time to go more lighthearted like Hokey said. Get back to basics.

Re: The Flash (S3E21) -- "Cause and Effect" -- 5/9/17
 

I wouldn't be too bummed if they lost their current version of Wells and found a way to bring back the "real' one. If there has to be a dramatic death, let it be him.

Re: The Flash (S3E21) -- "Cause and Effect" -- 5/9/17
 

They already showed HR alive and well in the future.

Re: The Flash (S3E21) -- "Cause and Effect" -- 5/9/17
 

And? They have went on multiple times on how they are expecting to change that future.

Re: The Flash (S3E21) -- "Cause and Effect" -- 5/9/17
 

I think Wally could easily go off to another Earth with Jessie. They already sort of did that with him being gone for an episode recently.

Re: The Flash (S3E21) -- "Cause and Effect" -- 5/9/17
 

Im OK with Catlin gaining control of her powers and being Killer Frost on Team Flash, similar to current JLA comics

Re: The Flash (S3E21) -- "Cause and Effect" -- 5/9/17
 

I pretty much expect both of these to happen. If at least for a few episodes.

Re: The Flash (S3E21) -- "Cause and Effect" -- 5/9/17
 

loved Sisco's "spinoff" line... LOL.

Re: The Flash (S3E21) -- "Cause and Effect" -- 5/9/17
 

Masks seem to be the hardest part of bringing a comic book superhero to life. The smartest thing the X-Men movies did was jettison almost all of the headgear unless it's needed for some plot device.