Gotham (S3E17) -- "Heroes Rise: The Primal Riddle" -- 5/8/17
05-08-17, 09:18 PM
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Gotham (S3E17) -- "Heroes Rise: The Primal Riddle" -- 5/8/17
GOTHAM'S MOST UNHINGED VILLAINS UNITE ON AN ALL-NEW "GOTHAM" MONDAY, MAY 8, ON FOX
Mr. Freeze (Guest Star Nathan Darrow) and Firefly (Guest Star Camila Perez) Return
Some of Gotham's most unhinged villains band together, while The Riddler continues his conquest of the city. Gordon is on a search for answers and all roads keep leading him back to the Court of Owls. Meanwhile, as Alfred begins to notice a change in Bruce, Bruce 2 confides in Selina (Camren Bicondova) in the all-new "Heroes Rise: The Primal Riddle" episode of GOTHAM airing Monday, May 8 (8:00-9:01 PM ET/PT) on FOX. (GTH-317) (TV-14 L, V)
Cast: Ben McKenzie as Detective James Gordon, Donal Logue as Harvey Bullock, David Mazouz as Bruce Wayne, Morena Baccarin as Leslie Thompkins, Sean Pertwee as Alfred, Robin Lord Taylor as Oswald Cobblepot/The Penguin, Erin Richards as Barbara Kean, Camren Bicondova as Selina Kyle/the future Catwoman, Cory Michael Smith as Edward Nygma/the future Riddler, Jessica Lucas as Tabitha Galavan, Chris Chalk as Lucius Fox, Drew Powell as Butch Gilzean, Maggie Geha as the future Poison Ivy, Michael Chiklis as Detective Nathaniel Barnes, Benedict Samuel as Mad Hatter
Guest Cast: Richard Kind as Aubrey James, Leslie Hendrix as Kathryn, Camila Perez as Firefly, Nathan Darrow as Victor Fries/Mr. Freeze
Mr. Freeze (Guest Star Nathan Darrow) and Firefly (Guest Star Camila Perez) Return
Some of Gotham's most unhinged villains band together, while The Riddler continues his conquest of the city. Gordon is on a search for answers and all roads keep leading him back to the Court of Owls. Meanwhile, as Alfred begins to notice a change in Bruce, Bruce 2 confides in Selina (Camren Bicondova) in the all-new "Heroes Rise: The Primal Riddle" episode of GOTHAM airing Monday, May 8 (8:00-9:01 PM ET/PT) on FOX. (GTH-317) (TV-14 L, V)
Cast: Ben McKenzie as Detective James Gordon, Donal Logue as Harvey Bullock, David Mazouz as Bruce Wayne, Morena Baccarin as Leslie Thompkins, Sean Pertwee as Alfred, Robin Lord Taylor as Oswald Cobblepot/The Penguin, Erin Richards as Barbara Kean, Camren Bicondova as Selina Kyle/the future Catwoman, Cory Michael Smith as Edward Nygma/the future Riddler, Jessica Lucas as Tabitha Galavan, Chris Chalk as Lucius Fox, Drew Powell as Butch Gilzean, Maggie Geha as the future Poison Ivy, Michael Chiklis as Detective Nathaniel Barnes, Benedict Samuel as Mad Hatter
Guest Cast: Richard Kind as Aubrey James, Leslie Hendrix as Kathryn, Camila Perez as Firefly, Nathan Darrow as Victor Fries/Mr. Freeze
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05-09-17, 08:11 PM
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Re: Gotham (S3E17) -- "Heroes Rise: The Primal Riddle" -- 5/8/17
Not sure how I feel about them probably ripping the origin of Catwoman straight from Batman Returns. Especially since it never made sense in that movie either. But till then I was really liking this series finally getting to somewhere familiar.
05-10-17, 01:54 PM
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Re: Gotham (S3E17) -- "Heroes Rise: The Primal Riddle" -- 5/8/17
Here's a tiny little thing that just bugged me: Throughout the episode, Penguin and Ivy kept pronouncing "Victor Fries" name "Frys" (which is normally how you'd pronounce that spelling. However, it's always been pronounced "Freeze" as sort of a pun leading to his "Villain Name" "Mr. Freeze". I don't recall, -did they do that when he appeared in the show before?
05-10-17, 03:17 PM
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Re: Gotham (S3E17) -- "Heroes Rise: The Primal Riddle" -- 5/8/17
Here's a tiny little thing that just bugged me: Throughout the episode, Penguin and Ivy kept pronouncing "Victor Fries" name "Frys" (which is normally how you'd pronounce that spelling. However, it's always been pronounced "Freeze" as sort of a pun leading to his "Villain Name" "Mr. Freeze". I don't recall, -did they do that when he appeared in the show before?
05-10-17, 03:58 PM
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Re: Gotham (S3E17) -- "Heroes Rise: The Primal Riddle" -- 5/8/17
With Batman Returns I always assumed Selena was just knocked out and had some type of brain injury and or a bit of a mental break based on what happened to her. I just found out a couple years ago that some people thought the cats brought her back to life. *Never saw that personally*
05-10-17, 05:13 PM
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Re: Gotham (S3E17) -- "Heroes Rise: The Primal Riddle" -- 5/8/17
Sorry, but there is no logical way either Selena character survives those falls at all, or at least without all kinds of injuries beyond just a big bump on the head. The whole herd of cats, and how they bring her back, is just the groan inducing icing on the cake.
At least have some sort of explanation. But they didn't in Batman Returns and I don't expect they will in Gotham either.
At least have some sort of explanation. But they didn't in Batman Returns and I don't expect they will in Gotham either.
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05-10-17, 05:49 PM
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Re: Gotham (S3E17) -- "Heroes Rise: The Primal Riddle" -- 5/8/17
It's a comic book show so I'm not sure how much logic one can expect. I have no problem with it even if it mirrored Batman Returns.
What's Catwoman's origin in the comics?
What's Catwoman's origin in the comics?
05-10-17, 05:59 PM
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Re: Gotham (S3E17) -- "Heroes Rise: The Primal Riddle" -- 5/8/17
Yes, it's a comic book show. So let's at least have some kind of comic book explanation, even if it takes ignoring that it could never happen in reality.
05-10-17, 07:29 PM
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Re: Gotham (S3E17) -- "Heroes Rise: The Primal Riddle" -- 5/8/17
But it didn't really bother me.
05-10-17, 08:01 PM
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05-10-17, 09:54 PM
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Re: Gotham (S3E17) -- "Heroes Rise: The Primal Riddle" -- 5/8/17
Renewed for a 4th season: http://deadline.com/2017/05/gotham-t...-4-1202089450/
I have to believe at some point, we will get a time jump and Bruce will be recast. Probably not next season, but I think it's in the cards at some point.
I have to believe at some point, we will get a time jump and Bruce will be recast. Probably not next season, but I think it's in the cards at some point.
05-11-17, 06:26 AM
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Re: Gotham (S3E17) -- "Heroes Rise: The Primal Riddle" -- 5/8/17
With Batman Returns I always assumed Selena was just knocked out and had some type of brain injury and or a bit of a mental break based on what happened to her. I just found out a couple years ago that some people thought the cats brought her back to life. *Never saw that personally*
In the 60s Batman tv series they began by killing her each time she appeared under the pretense she had nine lives.
05-11-17, 08:30 AM
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Re: Gotham (S3E17) -- "Heroes Rise: The Primal Riddle" -- 5/8/17
That was always my take as well which is why the Gotham version could work if Selena had been one of the Indian Hill victims. That's still a lot of cats for a only couple blocks in downtown Gotham, but at least it's an actual explanation that makes sense form a comic book perspective.
05-11-17, 01:02 PM
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Re: Gotham (S3E17) -- "Heroes Rise: The Primal Riddle" -- 5/8/17
I looked up Catwoman on Wiki and from reading the article, there's no clear cut story on how she becomes CW. As in all comics, her origins story has changed many times over the years.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catwoman
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catwoman
05-11-17, 04:32 PM
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Re: Gotham (S3E17) -- "Heroes Rise: The Primal Riddle" -- 5/8/17
In TAS, Selina was a cat-burglar (literally)/animal activist. Thought was a pretty clever bent on the character.
05-15-17, 09:44 AM
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Re: Gotham (S3E17) -- "Heroes Rise: The Primal Riddle" -- 5/8/17
Gotham moves to Thursdays at 8pm when the new season starts.
https://www.tvinsider.com/197335/fox...fted-upfronts/
https://www.tvinsider.com/197335/fox...fted-upfronts/
05-15-17, 10:27 AM
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Re: Gotham (S3E17) -- "Heroes Rise: The Primal Riddle" -- 5/8/17
It's just amazing to me that a show like Gotham is now considered appropriate for 8pm. I guess all the kids are off watching YouTube now.
05-15-17, 10:49 AM
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Re: Gotham (S3E17) -- "Heroes Rise: The Primal Riddle" -- 5/8/17
Or watch it on DVR long after it actually airs. I couldn't cares less when anything is actually schedules anymore. JUust need to know when it will be available on DVR.
Besides, there are far worse examples in syndication where shows that ran on 10:00 pm supposedly for reasons like that are now on syndication stations at like 3:00 pm in the afternoon.
Besides, there are far worse examples in syndication where shows that ran on 10:00 pm supposedly for reasons like that are now on syndication stations at like 3:00 pm in the afternoon.
