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Timeless (S1E10) -- Midseason Finale -- "The Capture of Benedict Arnold" -- 12/12/16





"TIMELESS"

"THE CAPTURE OF BENEDICT ARNOLD" ORIGINAL

12/12/2016 (10:01PM - 11:00PM) (Monday) : THE TEAM LEARNS THERE ARE TWO SIDES TO EVERY STORY WHEN THEY ENCOUNTER AMERICA'S FIRST TRAITOR. A stunning turn during the American Revolution prompts Lucy (Abigail Spencer), Wyatt (Matt Lanter), and Rufus (Malcolm Barrett) to question whether they've been fighting on the wrong side this whole time. While Agent Christopher (Sakina Jaffrey) prepares for the worst back in present day, the team encounters the Father of the Country (Damian O'Hare), makes a dubious pact, and confronts the possibility they may not be a trio for long. Also starring Goran Visnjic, Paterson Joseph and Claudia Doumit. Guest starring Curtis Caravaggio, Armin Shimerman, Jake Brennan, and Robinne Lee. TV-PG D, L, V

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Re: Timeless (S1E10) -- Midseason Finale -- "The Capture of Benedict Arnold" -- 12/12

Very different episode. I wonder where Flynn took Lucy and if anything in the future was changed.
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Re: Timeless (S1E10) -- Midseason Finale -- "The Capture of Benedict Arnold" -- 12/12

So Rittenhouse's son grows up and now becomes the Big Bad, knowing about future tech.

I thought the team capitulated too easily to Flynn's request but I guess they had to skip over any conflict for time.
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Re: Timeless (S1E10) -- Midseason Finale -- "The Capture of Benedict Arnold" -- 12/12

I enjoyed this ep a lot. Seems like thet advanced the story a bit more.
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Re: Timeless (S1E10) -- Midseason Finale -- "The Capture of Benedict Arnold" -- 12/12

Just as Lucy approached the Rittenhouse kid and started asking him questions about his beliefs, I immediately shouted PARADOX!

The team killed the father, and now the son is going to "start" Rittenhouse. Sure, it was already started by the father, but the son is the one that is going to rule the world with that name.

Classic chicken or the egg paradox.
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Re: Timeless (S1E10) -- Midseason Finale -- "The Capture of Benedict Arnold" -- 12/12

Originally Posted by MLBFan24 View Post
Just as Lucy approached the Rittenhouse kid and started asking him questions about his beliefs, I immediately shouted PARADOX!

The team killed the father, and now the son is going to "start" Rittenhouse. Sure, it was already started by the father, but the son is the one that is going to rule the world with that name.

Classic chicken or the egg paradox.
Why is it a paradox? Maybe the son originally ruled the world that way after his father died many years later. With the team killing his father, he'll just start earlier. Plus before he died, the father said there were many who would pick up the torch. Since we don't know when the father died before the team interfered, it's possible the son or someone else ruled the world under the Rittenhouse name longer than the father did.
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Re: Timeless (S1E10) -- Midseason Finale -- "The Capture of Benedict Arnold" -- 12/12

I'm just bummed they killed Quark. I would have loved him becoming a reoccurring character.

The biggest problem with the story line was that it was obvious from the start that they would have to take out the kid as well. Oh well. Was still an enjoyable episode.

It was interesting to compare how they told the Arnold story on this compared to the Turn series on AMC.
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Re: Timeless (S1E10) -- Midseason Finale -- "The Capture of Benedict Arnold" -- 12/12

Who was Quark?
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Re: Timeless (S1E10) -- Midseason Finale -- "The Capture of Benedict Arnold" -- 12/12

Question about the show: I thought they established early on that they can't travel to a time where one of them is already alive. However, in the moon landing episode Matt Frewer is there and his character would have been born before the moon landing. Plot hole or did I miss something?
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Re: Timeless (S1E10) -- Midseason Finale -- "The Capture of Benedict Arnold" -- 12/12

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Who was Quark?
Daddy Riddenhouse - Armin Shimerman

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Originally Posted by Groucho View Post
Question about the show: I thought they established early on that they can't travel to a time where one of them is already alive. However, in the moon landing episode Matt Frewer is there and his character would have been born before the moon landing. Plot hole or did I miss something?
Could be a plot hole, or maybe he figured out how to travel to a time when he lived. Or maybe his character is only 47 years old and was born after the moon landing in 1969.
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Re: Timeless (S1E10) -- Midseason Finale -- "The Capture of Benedict Arnold" -- 12/12

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I'm just bummed they killed Quark. I would have loved him becoming a reoccurring character.

The biggest problem with the story line was that it was obvious from the start that they would have to take out the kid as well. Oh well. Was still an enjoyable episode.

It was interesting to compare how they told the Arnold story on this compared to the Turn series on AMC.
Jus started Poldark on Amazon streaming, show is based on a character coming back from revolutionary war in America and returns back to his home in England and finds it in bad shape, great show so far, and an interesting time period to explore.

Probably wouldn't have started this show if I didn't have my interest peeked by this timeless ep.
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Re: Timeless (S1E10) -- Midseason Finale -- "The Capture of Benedict Arnold" -- 12/12

Very interesting episode.

For those who complained about the wardrobe area they certainly skipped that this week!

I was a bit surprised how quickly Rufus and Wyatt chose to go along with Flynn's plan. They have the same amount or less than Lucy. I suppose Wyatt indicated they'd go with her decision, so if she said no plan aborted.

Also, for those who mentioned little impact on history, the consequences of this episode should be huge. However, it's possible despite historical significance, that the effects of killing some of these people are not all that large.

So did Flynn take Lucy someplace to show her how far and impactful Rittenhause's reach is throughout history?

I look forward to this show each week. Very interested to see how things turn out in the second half of the season.
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Re: Timeless (S1E10) -- Midseason Finale -- "The Capture of Benedict Arnold" -- 12/12

I think Wyatt went along with Flynn's plan partly for selfish reasons. He probably thinks it could lead to getting his wife back.
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Re: Timeless (S1E10) -- Midseason Finale -- "The Capture of Benedict Arnold" -- 12/12

I suspect we are going to get an upcoming episode where the team has to make a decision between saving one of their own lives or stopping Rittenhouse once and for all. Saving Rittenhouse may be required to keep one of the team alive.
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Re: Timeless (S1E10) -- Midseason Finale -- "The Capture of Benedict Arnold" -- 12/12

I think there is something very suspicious in the way Flynn told Wyatt or rather implied that he could give him information about his wife's killer. I wouldn't be surprised if Rittenhouse or somebody else he knows is somehow responsible for his wife's death.

I still think it be a great cliffhanger towards the end of the season if Wyatt and Lucy have become much closer only for the team to return to the present and have Wyatts wife alive.

One thing that slightly bugs me about this series is Lucy doesn't seem to have too much agency. She had a bit of a breakthrough when she discovered the reason she was doing all this was to save her sister. However we haven't seen any of her thought process in order to develop a plan on how she's going to do that. So far everything has been with the objective of stopping Flynn from fulfilling his objective. That alone I wouldn't think is going to bring back her sister. They would still have to take actions to undo the events following the Hindenburg which caused her sister to Disappear. However as we've learned they can't go back and revisit that time period. At that point Team Lifeboat would have to undertake their own mini Rittenhouse mission with the objective of going back and stopping Flynn before he did any of the actions he's currently undertaken.
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Re: Timeless (S1E10) -- Midseason Finale -- "The Capture of Benedict Arnold" -- 12/12

A simple solution that Lucy would have probably agreed with is instead of shooting Rittenhouse Jr., remove him from history. Have Flynn knock him out and take him back to 2016 and just dump the sleeping kid on a park bench or something. No evil organization formed and any people that did know him would think he was dead. Sure the kid could tell people he was from the 1780's but they'd just think he's a lunatic.
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Re: Timeless (S1E10) -- Midseason Finale -- "The Capture of Benedict Arnold" -- 12/12

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Sure the kid could tell people he was from the 1780's but they'd just think he's a lunatic.
In this day and age? It would be completely legit to the alt-right.
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Re: Timeless (S1E10) -- Midseason Finale -- "The Capture of Benedict Arnold" -- 12/12

Good episode. I'll be anxious to see this return. Finally getting some pieces of the puzzle put in place. However shy if the goal is to stop Rittenhouse, why change the Hindenburg? Why shoot Lincoln, he was already going to be shot? With a time machine, the simple answer is to show up years before an event and kill or stop the impetus behind that event. History changed without even coming close to the event.
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Good episode. I'll be anxious to see this return. Finally getting some pieces of the puzzle put in place. However shy if the goal is to stop Rittenhouse, why change the Hindenburg? Why shoot Lincoln, he was already going to be shot? With a time machine, the simple answer is to show up years before an event and kill or stop the impetus behind that event. History changed without even coming close to the event.
I don't know why Flynn traveled to the Hindenburg disaster, but in Lincoln's case, wasn't his intention to also shoot the general who accompanied Lincoln to the play (but Lucy foiled his plan)?
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Re: Timeless (S1E10) -- Midseason Finale -- "The Capture of Benedict Arnold" -- 12/12

Well in part it's clear Flynn didn't know Rittenhouse was a person. He knew "they" were created near the founding of America but didn't when or how. The letter from Ford's clock is what led him there. Now how he knew to get the key from Bonnie, or what it opened is another question.

We did see some events were strategic to make things easier.

1) Vegas was to get plutonium to power the time machine
2) Colonial times was to strand team lifeboat
3) Watergate was to get the relative who knew all the names of the members

The Lincoln assassination and the moon landing were to try and change the course history, and presumably Rittenhouse's grasp on power. If the Confederacy or Russian's win, then the American institutions and halls of power would not be around.

Maybe Hindenburg was specifically to erase Lucy's sister? What if we picked up Lucy in a previously altered timeline?

I do wonder how Flynn has recruited a team to help him, including Rufus' mentor. Presumably they have stakes equally high. Plus, still unsure how he came to meet Lucy and get her journal.
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Re: Timeless (S1E10) -- Midseason Finale -- "The Capture of Benedict Arnold" -- 12/12

I love that they are hiding something in plain sight and no one is seeming to notice...and will likely be a twist later

Spoiler:
the time machine can go to the future too
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Re: Timeless (S1E10) -- Midseason Finale -- "The Capture of Benedict Arnold" -- 12/12

In Sunday's paper there was an article about TV and it made it seem as though Timeless was done after the 16 episodes.
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Re: Timeless (S1E10) -- Midseason Finale -- "The Capture of Benedict Arnold" -- 12/12

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I love that they are hiding something in plain sight and no one is seeming to notice...and will likely be a twist later

Spoiler:
the time machine can go to the future too
Not saying you're wrong, but how do you figure?
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Re: Timeless (S1E10) -- Midseason Finale -- "The Capture of Benedict Arnold" -- 12/12

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Not saying you're wrong, but how do you figure?
Spoiler:
I'm guessing he means they always travel into the future to return home. I can't recall if they've ever stated on this show whether or not they can only go from the present (when the time machine was created) to points in the past.

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