The Americans (S4E12) - "A Roy Rogers in Franconia" - 6/1/16
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The Americans (S4E12) - "A Roy Rogers in Franconia" - 6/1/16
Episode 12 / Production #412 - "A Roy Rogers in Franconia" (Airs June 1, 10:00 pm e/p) - As Paige deals with last episode's trauma, she sees her mother in a new light... and finds she has inherited some of her parents' skills. Plus, has Oleg reached his breaking point with Stan? Written by Joel Fields & Joe Weisberg; directed by Chris Long.
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I meant to go back and check but I deleted the episode: What was the television show that Paige and Elizabeth were watching, that Paige sort of apologized for?
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Shit looks like it hits the fan in the finale. I will say I wasn't really liking the whole befriending of the asian family. The payoff took too long. I mean for the show, it makes sense, since that seems to be the main plot point. But over the course of the season, it just seemed like too much time getting there. My only real complaint this season.
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Shit looks like it hits the fan in the finale. I will say I wasn't really liking the whole befriending of the asian family. The payoff took too long. I mean for the show, it makes sense, since that seems to be the main plot point. But over the course of the season, it just seemed like too much time getting there. My only real complaint this season.
Elizabeth and Philip are playing long games here, as are the show's creators.
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I like where Paige confronts her mom about killing someone and not even flinching or having any emotional response. Hey Paige, you just got a a window into your moms soul!
I still think Paige is going to somehow start to be interested in getting into the 'family business' next season. At some point, they have to either have Henry find out or Paige tells him as that sets up a whole other dynamic on the show.
I still think Paige is going to somehow start to be interested in getting into the 'family business' next season. At some point, they have to either have Henry find out or Paige tells him as that sets up a whole other dynamic on the show.
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I would guess Paige eventually blabs to Henry or her new boyfriend, Matthew.
So did Oleg tell Stan because he truly cared about preventing the spread of biological weapons, or he wanted to prevent his lover from getting assigned to Africa?
Interestingly enough, there are still a couple of Roy Rogers' restaurants left around the DC area.
So did Oleg tell Stan because he truly cared about preventing the spread of biological weapons, or he wanted to prevent his lover from getting assigned to Africa?
Interestingly enough, there are still a couple of Roy Rogers' restaurants left around the DC area.
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I like where Paige confronts her mom about killing someone and not even flinching or having any emotional response. Hey Paige, you just got a a window into your moms soul!
I still think Paige is going to somehow start to be interested in getting into the 'family business' next season. At some point, they have to either have Henry find out or Paige tells him as that sets up a whole other dynamic on the show.
I still think Paige is going to somehow start to be interested in getting into the 'family business' next season. At some point, they have to either have Henry find out or Paige tells him as that sets up a whole other dynamic on the show.
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I really like William, and can't wait to see how he ends up next week.
Has anyone heard any casting news about Frank Langella? They really "Chekhov's gunned" his health in this episode. I wonder if that means Claudia will come back, or if we get an all-new handler next season.
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Elizabeth, on the other hand, has always been the ideological ice queen, the woman who would shoot her own father in the face if Mother Russia ordered her to. The whole point of Young Hee was to finally crack that facade. Elizabeth is dedicated to her work, but she didn't realize until Young Hee came along that she's lonely. She has no friends. Young Hee was the closest thing she'd had to a "genuine friend" that we've ever seen. And it really affected her, having to destroy the family like that.
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I was hoping "Sonny Conrinthos" of this forum might be a watcher of The Americans because he might remember what I'm about to say a little better than I do. One of the things that made me smile about Paige (and Elizabeth) watching that particular episode of General Hospital is I think that plot line with "Grant Andrews" involved him being a sleeper Russian spy. I thought that's what Paige was apologizing for.
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Liz was okay with forcing an elderly woman to commit sucide, but losing her shopping buddy is going too far.
Apparently. Teenage girls are not known for keeping secrets.
Henry will just go back to playing video games, though, so he's safe.
It is funny to see Paige confront Elizabeth with the lies, half-truths, and avoidances. You'd think that Elizabeth would explain to daughter about plausible deniability to protect the children in case the spy cover is blown & arrests are made. At least that would be somewhat the truth & would give a good reason for hiding the details from Paige.
When Paige asked if Mom had killed before, the long pause was answer enough. Funnier was when Paige asked, "How many times," and Elizabeth had lost count.
She should have just said, "Somewhere between five and fifty."
Henry will just go back to playing video games, though, so he's safe.
It is funny to see Paige confront Elizabeth with the lies, half-truths, and avoidances. You'd think that Elizabeth would explain to daughter about plausible deniability to protect the children in case the spy cover is blown & arrests are made. At least that would be somewhat the truth & would give a good reason for hiding the details from Paige.
When Paige asked if Mom had killed before, the long pause was answer enough. Funnier was when Paige asked, "How many times," and Elizabeth had lost count.
She should have just said, "Somewhere between five and fifty."
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Love this show. And all the comments in the internet.
You need a little bit of intelligence and to pay some attention to like this show. Do that and it's one of your favorite shows. And then, there are people really inteligente, and that pay a lot of attention, rewatching each episode, etc. and write great posts, articles, or even essays about the show.
You need a little bit of intelligence and to pay some attention to like this show. Do that and it's one of your favorite shows. And then, there are people really inteligente, and that pay a lot of attention, rewatching each episode, etc. and write great posts, articles, or even essays about the show.
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Love this show. And all the comments in the internet.
You need a little bit of intelligence and to pay some attention to like this show. Do that and it's one of your favorite shows. And then, there are people really inteligente, and that pay a lot of attention, rewatching each episode, etc. and write great posts, articles, or even essays about the show.
You need a little bit of intelligence and to pay some attention to like this show. Do that and it's one of your favorite shows. And then, there are people really inteligente, and that pay a lot of attention, rewatching each episode, etc. and write great posts, articles, or even essays about the show.
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Love this show. And all the comments in the internet.
You need a little bit of intelligence and to pay some attention to like this show. Do that and it's one of your favorite shows. And then, there are people really inteligente, and that pay a lot of attention, rewatching each episode, etc. and write great posts, articles, or even essays about the show.
You need a little bit of intelligence and to pay some attention to like this show. Do that and it's one of your favorite shows. And then, there are people really inteligente, and that pay a lot of attention, rewatching each episode, etc. and write great posts, articles, or even essays about the show.
My only nitpick with the show is I don't think it is vigilant with the styles from the 1980's the way Mad Men was with the styles of the 1960's.
I look at Keri Russell's hair, and she would have had a much different hairstyle in the early 80's. The 'Feathered-Back' parted in the middle look was the in-look at the time, as her hair is very modern. I also see alot of the houses in the show and the insides look very modern too. Most people in the 1980's still had loads of wallpaper, and nothing neutral in the house like today.
Mad Men really did a great job as EVERYTHING on the show was from that specific time period. It's a tiny nitpick with The Americans, but I have to say part of me is glad they aren't married to every 1980's style because it was an ugly era for hair!
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SUCH a great show--looking forward to the finale.
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I not sure that any show will ever strive for the same level of "factual accuracy" that Mad Men had. This is a show that not only used real ice cubes in drinks (as opposed to acrylic cubes, which many shows use), they actually went to the trouble of tracking down 1960s-era ice cube trays for scenes in people's homes, and contracted with an ice company for "historically accurate" ice cubes for restaurant and bar scenes. This is a show that, days before filming the pilot was due to start, scrapped the 300 fluorescent bulbs they'd ordered for the Sterling Cooper set because they weren't "historically accurate" enough, and Matt Weiner was worried that the colors wouldn't be represented accurately on film. This is a show that tracked down actual 1960s bras and panties and carefully disassembled them and made dozens of copies, so female characters would have accurate panty lines. This is a show where, when a character jiggled some change in his hand to sort it, the foley people used actual silver coins to make the sound effect, even though 95% of the audience would never notice the difference.
The lack of accuracy in The Americans really bothered me at first, especially since I was coming off Mad Men. It seems like, in a lot of the early episodes of The Americans, the camera would stop on a particular object, like a rotary phone or an Atari 2600 or an old car as if to say "See! it's the early 80s! We can't afford to go all out like Mad Men, but we're gonna emphasize the stuff we can afford". Lots of people complained about home decor and (especially) Elizabeth's clothing (which seemed both "too hip" and too "more like 1987 than 1981", especially for a suburban mom in DC).
For some strange reason, this stuff just doesn't bother me much any more. I guess I'm too firmly immersed in the story to notice the little things. Which is just as well, I suppose. Aside from obvious cultural queues - showing Reagan speeches on TV, or everyone watching The Day After - the show seems to exist in some kind of nether time between 1977 and 1988 or so.
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I have no idea why it would. FWIW, http://www.vulture.com/2013/04/18-ma...-internet.html.
Your list also admits that some of the anachronisms were debatable, while others were also unavoidable... like the IBM Selectric typewriters. Weiner apparently had staff look for typewriters that predated the Selectric, but could not find enough that were "modern enough" to be in the office, but also in good enough condition to look "new".