Go Back  DVD Talk Forum > Entertainment Discussions > TV Talk
Reload this Page >

The Flash (S2E15) -- "King Shark" -- 2/23/16

TV Talk Talk about Shows on TV

The Flash (S2E15) -- "King Shark" -- 2/23/16

Old 02-24-16, 10:18 AM
  #26  
DVD Talk Limited Edition
 
mrhan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Posts: 6,177
Likes: 0
Received 13 Likes on 11 Posts
Re: The Flash (S2E15) -- "King Shark" -- 2/23/16

Originally Posted by The Valeyard
Guesses on Zoom:

3. Guy in the mask is Earth-3 Barry.

4. I don't know.
Wouldn't that have been Johnny Quick from the Crime Syndicate? Guessing by pre-crisis standards here.
Old 02-24-16, 11:34 AM
  #27  
Senior Member
 
SmithsGuy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Grand Rapids, MI
Posts: 923
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
Re: The Flash (S2E15) -- "King Shark" -- 2/23/16

Originally Posted by Deftones
Sort of made the most sense it was Jay. Could the guy in the cage be diggle?
Wally West was my thought.
Old 02-24-16, 02:20 PM
  #28  
DVD Talk Hero
 
PhantomStranger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: The Phantom Zone
Posts: 27,376
Received 783 Likes on 657 Posts
Re: The Flash (S2E15) -- "King Shark" -- 2/23/16

I looked pretty closely this episode when they showed the prisoner. His hands looked like white skin with smoot and dirt on them. I don't think it's Wally. Honestly, I don't think that reveal would have much impact since Wally is such a new character. It's pretty clear at this point they likely won't be touching on any Kid Flash stuff until next season.
Old 02-24-16, 02:43 PM
  #29  
DVD Talk Legend
 
stingermck's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Cobra Island
Posts: 17,112
Received 419 Likes on 286 Posts
Re: The Flash (S2E15) -- "King Shark" -- 2/23/16

The reveal blows up many fan theories and adds another twist to both the identity of Zoom, the true nature of Team Flash's resident "Jay Garrick" and the reveal that Earth-1's Garrick is called Hunter Zolomon. Considering that one of Zoom's alternate identities in the comics is Hunter Zolomon, "Flash" showrunner Andrew Kreisberg told TV Line that that one clue should have tipped off audiences.

“What’s funny is we showed that Jay’s doppelganger was Hunter Zolomon, and we assumed the comic book fans would say, ‘A-ha’ right away. ‘Jay must be Zoom,’" said Kreisberg. "But I think that, like Barry and the team, they didn’t want to or just couldn’t believe it.”

Kreisberg also discussed the man posing as Jay Garrick that has become a valued member of Team Flash over the course of season two. “I don’t think you can assume anything that Jay has said to the team or the audience is the full truth. It is a version of the truth,” said Kreisberg.

And then there's the mystery of the man in the iron mask, the one that freaked out over hearing the name "Jay" in last week's "Escape from Earth-2" episode. What's his deal, and will he clarify or confuse matters more? “The mystery of the Man in the Iron Mask will play out over the rest of the season with some clues being layered in along the way,” said Kreisberg. “When you do find out who it is, everything will make sense in a very satisfying way.”
So fake Jay all this time? Would explain the lack of speed.
Old 02-24-16, 02:46 PM
  #30  
DVD Talk Hero
 
PhantomStranger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: The Phantom Zone
Posts: 27,376
Received 783 Likes on 657 Posts
Re: The Flash (S2E15) -- "King Shark" -- 2/23/16

Anyone else think our Caitlin will eventually turn into Killer Frost? It would be great to see her turn villain for an entire season...
Old 02-24-16, 04:48 PM
  #31  
Banned
 
Join Date: Mar 2000
Location: Somewhere in the boonies, MA
Posts: 10,147
Received 376 Likes on 295 Posts
Re: The Flash (S2E15) -- "King Shark" -- 2/23/16

I was thinking it was either Wally West or Diggle in the mask... Quite possibly Wally from an alternate Earth who already has his speed (why else would Zoom imprison him?).

You can tell they are starting to form an origin story for Wally. All of a sudden he's an engineer, and will probably be in a lab in college next season and have an accident similar to Barry's.

The reason why most of us are blown away by the FX for King Shark was because it probably cost them a fortune to do that for TV. You rarely see TV shows with that quality of FX in it (especially for long scenes like they did with this episode).
Old 02-24-16, 08:53 PM
  #32  
DVD Talk Legend
 
whotony's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: ^ Kristen Bell
Posts: 22,985
Received 575 Likes on 419 Posts
Re: The Flash (S2E15) -- "King Shark" -- 2/23/16

think Wally is a good guess for Iron Mask.

Why in the world would it be Diggle?
He has barely anything to do with this the Flash show.
Old 02-24-16, 09:21 PM
  #33  
DVD Talk Legend
 
whotony's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: ^ Kristen Bell
Posts: 22,985
Received 575 Likes on 419 Posts
Re: The Flash (S2E15) -- "King Shark" -- 2/23/16

or this...

http://forums.superherohype.com/show...&postcount=104

"According to my theory: Yes. Also, that wasn't the real Jay on Earth 1, it was Earth 1's Hunter Zolomon. Zoom is Earth 2's Zolomon. The two Zolomons were working together. The man in the iron mask is the real Jay Garrick, and is not played by Teddy Sears."
Old 02-24-16, 09:27 PM
  #34  
DVD Talk Hall of Fame
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: San Diego,CA
Posts: 8,049
Received 37 Likes on 22 Posts
Re: The Flash (S2E15) -- "King Shark" -- 2/23/16

So Zoom was unmasked for that part at the park?
Old 02-24-16, 09:29 PM
  #35  
DVD Talk Legend
 
whotony's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: ^ Kristen Bell
Posts: 22,985
Received 575 Likes on 419 Posts
Re: The Flash (S2E15) -- "King Shark" -- 2/23/16

Originally Posted by whotony
think Wally is a good guess for Iron Mask.

Why in the world would it be Diggle?
He has barely anything to do with this the Flash show.
But then there's this.



Probably not Wally
Old 02-24-16, 09:41 PM
  #36  
DVD Talk Legend
 
whotony's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: ^ Kristen Bell
Posts: 22,985
Received 575 Likes on 419 Posts
Re: The Flash (S2E15) -- "King Shark" -- 2/23/16

Originally Posted by VHS?
So Zoom was unmasked for that part at the park?
Yes.
Zoom/E-2 Zolomom was on the bench.
I can't figure out without saying there are three Garrick/Zolomon's who the
Three of them are assuming Iron Mask is also a Garrick/Zolomon


Zoom is E-2's Zolomon.
Mask is E-2's Garrick
Dead guy = I don't know.

Missing is E-1's Garrick and Zolomon so IDK is probably one of them.

I'm calling the Tv show proper E-1

Last edited by whotony; 02-24-16 at 09:58 PM.
Old 02-24-16, 10:40 PM
  #37  
DVD Talk Hall of Fame
 
hanshotfirst1138's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Livonia MI
Posts: 9,678
Likes: 0
Received 7 Likes on 7 Posts
Originally Posted by PhantomStranger
Anyone else think our Caitlin will eventually turn into Killer Frost? It would be great to see her turn villain for an entire season...
I hope not. I like her and would like her to stay on the side of the Angels.
Old 02-24-16, 11:13 PM
  #38  
DVD Talk Legend
 
whotony's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: ^ Kristen Bell
Posts: 22,985
Received 575 Likes on 419 Posts
Re: The Flash (S2E15) -- "King Shark" -- 2/23/16

One other thing is that someone could have used one of those face changing devices that Thawne used in S1 to tuern into Wells.
Old 02-24-16, 11:51 PM
  #39  
DVD Talk Limited Edition
 
The Antipodean's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2000
Location: Auckland, New Zealand
Posts: 6,636
Received 164 Likes on 117 Posts
Re: The Flash (S2E15) -- "King Shark" -- 2/23/16

I love this show, but the reveal is making this all seem a little too much like the Reverse-Flash mystery of season 1 played out again with a different cast.
Old 02-25-16, 01:17 AM
  #40  
DVD Talk Special Edition
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Iowa
Posts: 1,515
Received 115 Likes on 69 Posts
Re: The Flash (S2E15) -- "King Shark" -- 2/23/16

King Shark was well done, and a nice water chase with the Flash at the end.
Also love the scene where King Shark ripped the roof off the West House. And Joe's reply. HA!
The drame between Barry and Wally was uneceassry.
Old 02-25-16, 03:19 AM
  #41  
DVD Talk Special Edition
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 1,666
Received 59 Likes on 47 Posts
Re: The Flash (S2E15) -- "King Shark" -- 2/23/16

Originally Posted by Eric F
All of a sudden he's an engineer, and will probably be in a lab in college next season and have an accident similar to Barry's.
Bad storytelling. This jerk of a slacker wasn't previously shown to be engineer material.
Old 02-25-16, 04:16 AM
  #42  
DVD Talk Godfather
 
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: City of the lakers.. riots.. and drug dealing cops.. los(t) Angel(e)s. ca.
Posts: 54,199
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Re: The Flash (S2E15) -- "King Shark" -- 2/23/16

no, but you see, since he races cars and knows how to put on after market custom NOS gear, he must clearly be an engineer... COME ON, BARRY, HE ALREADY KNOWS HOW TO COMPENSATE FOR THAT BIODIESEL FUEL CONSUMPTION! What? Do you think he's an idiot or something, sheeesh!
Old 02-25-16, 06:59 AM
  #43  
DVD Talk Limited Edition
 
Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: Houston, TX
Posts: 6,274
Received 225 Likes on 154 Posts
Re: The Flash (S2E15) -- "King Shark" -- 2/23/16

Reminds me of when Rachel went from being a waitress at CP to an executive at Ralph Lauren overnight on Friends.
Old 02-25-16, 08:19 AM
  #44  
DVD Talk Legend
 
Hokeyboy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Fort Lauderdale, FL
Posts: 20,387
Received 680 Likes on 419 Posts
Re: The Flash (S2E15) -- "King Shark" -- 2/23/16

Good Lord, you guys are brutal

In a world where metahumans are easily created out of pseudo-science gobbledegook, time and dimensional travel is possible, and evil dopplegangers exists across the multiverse, this is the battle you're picking?
Old 02-25-16, 09:30 AM
  #45  
DVD Talk Limited Edition
 
Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: Houston, TX
Posts: 6,274
Received 225 Likes on 154 Posts
Re: The Flash (S2E15) -- "King Shark" -- 2/23/16

Originally Posted by whotony
Yes.
Zoom/E-2 Zolomom was on the bench.
I can't figure out without saying there are three Garrick/Zolomon's who the
Three of them are assuming Iron Mask is also a Garrick/Zolomon


Zoom is E-2's Zolomon.
Mask is E-2's Garrick
Dead guy = I don't know.

Missing is E-1's Garrick and Zolomon so IDK is probably one of them.

I'm calling the Tv show proper E-1
Mask is definitely E-2 Garrick (Teddy Sears), especially since Wells knows him as the Flash....unless Zoom/Zolomon was pretending to be GA Flash on Earth 2 (which would make zero sense).

Dead Guy could be:
1. Zolomon from another earth.
2. Super Speed Mirage (cause Zoom is that damn fast, but God I hope not)
3. Cademus/Argus Clone
Old 02-25-16, 09:39 AM
  #46  
DVD Talk Limited Edition
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: Under a dead Ohio sky
Posts: 5,820
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Re: The Flash (S2E15) -- "King Shark" -- 2/23/16

I don't think they should have unmasked Zoom. At least not yet. No good reason to reveal his identity now. Keep his aura and keep the audience guessing.
Old 02-25-16, 10:31 AM
  #47  
DVD Talk Hall of Fame
 
hanshotfirst1138's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Livonia MI
Posts: 9,678
Likes: 0
Received 7 Likes on 7 Posts
Originally Posted by whotony
One other thing is that someone could have used one of those face changing devices that Thawne used in S1 to turn into Wells.
They never did really explain that.
Old 02-25-16, 12:53 PM
  #48  
DVD Talk Hero
 
PhantomStranger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: The Phantom Zone
Posts: 27,376
Received 783 Likes on 657 Posts
Re: The Flash (S2E15) -- "King Shark" -- 2/23/16

Originally Posted by Thrush
I don't think they should have unmasked Zoom. At least not yet. No good reason to reveal his identity now. Keep his aura and keep the audience guessing.
The show doesn't return for several weeks and wanted a cliffhanger of some kind. That is my guess why they gave us that reveal this early.
Old 02-25-16, 07:41 PM
  #49  
DVD Talk Platinum Edition
 
Join Date: Feb 2000
Posts: 3,198
Received 137 Likes on 103 Posts
Re: The Flash (S2E15) -- "King Shark" -- 2/23/16

If it's not clones, I'm going with two sets of twins separate at birth.

On a side note, with the addiction of Wally and eventually Jessie Quick I hope Star Labs doesn't get too crowded.
Old 02-25-16, 09:26 PM
  #50  
DVD Talk Hall of Fame
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: SnogBox
Posts: 8,462
Received 128 Likes on 94 Posts
Re: The Flash (S2E15) -- "King Shark" -- 2/23/16

I'm personally leaning towards Earth-3 Jay/Zoloman is Zoom. That would certainly help tie things into Supergirl. Otherwise, I guess Barry could just use E-3 has a long road to Earth-2.

Anybody else pick up on the vibe between Cisco and Jessie?

For just getting his daughter back, Harry was pretty indifferent about her being there/alive..

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service -

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.