Re: Arrow (S4E01) -- "Green Arrow" -- 10/7/15
 

Psst - the quality of shows can change over time.

Really liked this ep, and felt it was a much better premiere than The Flash's. I think the tone was off for The Flash (too serious), but Arrow had a good balance of hope and darkness.

As far as who's in the grave:

• Thea is going a bit bonkers after her dip in the Lazarus Pit and might have to be put down.
• Diggle could perish in his attempts at avenging his brother.
• Lance could die redeeming himself against HIVE.
• Laurel still sucks.

But my money is on Mrs. Diggle, or Ollie's baby mama.

Re: Arrow (S4E01) -- "Green Arrow" -- 10/7/15
 

Because during Season 1 of Shield (for most of it) and Season 2 of Arrow that most true.

Re: Arrow (S4E01) -- "Green Arrow" -- 10/7/15
 

Arrow is still superior to SHIELD. SHIELD just went from absolutely sucking nuts to being mostly mediocre.

Flash still smokes both of them, but Arrow had the better premiere.

Re: Arrow (S4E01) -- "Green Arrow" -- 10/7/15
 

I quit Agents of SHIELD when Coulson said you were an idiot if you quit watching Agents of SHIELD. Since I was hate-watching before I thought spite-quitting was appropriate. The only time I liked it was with Bill Paxton. Arrow at it's worst is about the same as Agents of SHIELD at it's non Bill Paxton best.

Re: Arrow (S4E01) -- "Green Arrow" -- 10/7/15
 

http://i.imgur.com/ximl8LM.jpg

But even Cisco knows Laurel looks hot in that leather outfit tho.:D

Re: Arrow (S4E01) -- "Green Arrow" -- 10/7/15
 

It's Diggle, and yes, much better ep that the first episode of Flash. Wouldn't be surprised at all if Flash goes through the same slump that Arrow went through.

And personally I like Shield more than both Arrow and Flash. No can't stand them characters like Laurel and Iris and much better eye candy.

Re: Arrow (S4E01) -- "Green Arrow" -- 10/7/15
 

I'm still hating Thea and Laurel being top level superheros. Look what Oliver went through to get his fighting skills

Thea and Laurel have a few lessons at the YMCA and are top level !

Re: Arrow (S4E01) -- "Green Arrow" -- 10/7/15
 

I agree with you on Laurel, but Thea went through some pretty intense training with her father, Malcolm.

Re: Arrow (S4E01) -- "Green Arrow" -- 10/7/15
 

They should have just given Laurel the traditional Black Canary superpowers from the beginning. I think more people would have accepted her dressing up as a crimefighter if she had gotten powers. It didn't really make much sense that an untrained, alcoholic lawyer would become a vigilante after her sister, a trained assassin, died in the same line of work.

I can tolerate Laurel and Thea becoming heroes, though making both of them heroes at once was a little much. They should have had Thea go dark side first before teaming up with Oliver.

Re: Arrow (S4E01) -- "Green Arrow" -- 10/7/15
 

So this happened to my friend (BTW, his surgery went very well):

http://929nin.com/arrow-star-stephen...ghting-cancer/

As for the show itself, I'm really enjoying it -- I never didn't enjoy it, but I think this season is better (so far) than last.

Re: Arrow (S4E01) -- "Green Arrow" -- 10/7/15
 

Good to hear the surgery went well.

Re: Arrow (S4E01) -- "Green Arrow" -- 10/7/15
 

Amell is a nice guy. The show is still decent enough, just not as good as the first two seasons. I miss S1 psychotic Ollie...:lol: