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HBO orders Watchmen series from Damon Lindelof

Old 09-15-19, 09:07 PM
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The presence of Lindelof first gave me reservations. Now what I have heard the villain is "white supremacy" I am very skeptical. I'm a pretty big liberal but don't like it when they try SJW crap in entertainment mediums just to try and score points with groups.
There is zero chance that you are a "pretty big liberal" with a comment like this.
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Re: HBO orders Watchmen series from Damon Lindelof

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There is zero chance that you are a "pretty big liberal" with a comment like this.
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Re: HBO orders Watchmen series from Damon Lindelof

Comics have their roots in social justice. The little guy taking on the establishment, or even the wealthy guy realizing he should use his money for good instead of just another gold toilet. Superman came from two Jewish writers who wanted a modern hero.

It's baked into it's very DNA.

It's like people who complain about SJW stuff in Star Wars or Star Trek. Wars is literally the resistance against fascism and Trek is a socialist utopia. Are ya'll seriously not paying attention?
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Re: HBO orders Watchmen series from Damon Lindelof

I hadn't realized that Regina King would be the protagonist/lead until that new trailer. Interesting. Obviously she's a very gifted actor, but didn't see her as the main character in a superhero series before now. Liked her in The Leftovers though, so I can see why Lindelof thought of her in this.
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Re: HBO orders Watchmen series from Damon Lindelof

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No they weren't. Back then they were often enabling white supremacy.

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No they weren't. Back then they were often enabling white supremacy.

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They did both. Tis the duality of America....So you really can't ignore either side.
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Re: HBO orders Watchmen series from Damon Lindelof

I'm standing by what I said. I don't mind it if they're trying to push a message in an a sense that's organic to the story, but doing it just because it's the "in" thing of the moment strikes me as somewhat contrived. I'll watch the show and if they execute the concept well in the story, then I will admit I was wrong to be skeptical. If it's hamfisted and shoved in our face like it was with stuff like Last Jedi , then I'll be disappointed.
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Re: HBO orders Watchmen series from Damon Lindelof

X-Men was all about oppression against minorities. Comics always have had a dual-nature, the superhero genre was started by Jews during WWII looking for a way to fight back.

So yes, it might be the "in" thing to have the enemy be "White Supremacy" but there have always been villains like Capt. Nazi and the Red Skull, so...
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Re: HBO orders Watchmen series from Damon Lindelof

I dunno... the trailers aren't making me feel this at all.
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Re: HBO orders Watchmen series from Damon Lindelof

Originally Posted by Dr. DVD
I'm standing by what I said. I don't mind it if they're trying to push a message in an a sense that's organic to the story, but doing it just because it's the "in" thing of the moment strikes me as somewhat contrived. I'll watch the show and if they execute the concept well in the story, then I will admit I was wrong to be skeptical. If it's hamfisted and shoved in our face like it was with stuff like Last Jedi , then I'll be disappointed.
I agree and disagree with this.
First off, I think it's smart writing to make the story feel contemporary. Second, I think it's an interesting jump off from how...
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a KKK-sympathizing conspiracy-theory newsletter was a cheer leader for vigilantes, Rorschach in particular. Considering how many racists and white supremacists have infiltrated law enforcement, and how we have a president who indulges in racist fear mongering, I can see why the writer went this route.

Yeah, it does feel like he's trying to cater to what's a hot topic at the moment, but Moore was doing a similar thing back in the 80s. Rorshach is essentially Travis Bickle, employing Mad Max's methods.

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Re: HBO orders Watchmen series from Damon Lindelof

I was reading about this new movie called Raiders of the Lost Ark. The presence of Spielberg first gave me reservations. Now what I have heard the villain is "nazis" I am very skeptical. I'm a pretty big liberal but don't like it when they try SJW crap in entertainment mediums just to try and score points with groups.
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Re: HBO orders Watchmen series from Damon Lindelof

Originally Posted by Groucho
I was reading about this new movie called Raiders of the Lost Ark. The presence of Spielberg first gave me reservations. Now what I have heard the villain is "nazis" I am very skeptical. I'm a pretty big liberal but don't like it when they try SJW crap in entertainment mediums just to try and score points with groups.
When did so many Jewish fellows get involved with show biz?
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Re: HBO orders Watchmen series from Damon Lindelof

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I dunno... the trailers aren't making me feel this at all.
Same here.
I am hoping the series will be more interesting than the movie however...
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Re: HBO orders Watchmen series from Damon Lindelof

Originally Posted by Dr. DVD
I'm standing by what I said. I don't mind it if they're trying to push a message in an a sense that's organic to the story, but doing it just because it's the "in" thing of the moment strikes me as somewhat contrived. I'll watch the show and if they execute the concept well in the story, then I will admit I was wrong to be skeptical. If it's hamfisted and shoved in our face like it was with stuff like Last Jedi , then I'll be disappointed.
Of course you're entitled to your opinion but stop lying to us and yourself about being a liberal when you clearly aren't. No liberal would say about a movie trying to be diverse that "it is hamfisted and shoved in our face".
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Originally Posted by The Questyen
Of course you're entitled to your opinion but stop lying to us and yourself about being a liberal when you clearly aren't.
Why judgemental?
The world is not black and black; it isn't one extreme or the other.
The vast majority of people are WAY too complicated to pigeonhole with labels.

No liberal would say about a movie trying to be diverse that "it is hamfisted and shoved in our face".
Huh?
Of course political correctness can be hamfisted!

BTW, why should a movie TRY to be diverse?
Why not just BE diverse, rather than making an conscience, overt, and public effort to satisfy the Lords of Political Correctness?
Be AUTHENTIC, not appeasing.
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Re: HBO orders Watchmen series from Damon Lindelof

Originally Posted by Groucho
I was reading about this new movie called Raiders of the Lost Ark. The presence of Spielberg first gave me reservations. Now what I have heard the villain is "nazis" I am very skeptical. I'm a pretty big liberal but don't like it when they try SJW crap in entertainment mediums just to try and score points with groups.
I assumed his reservations about Lindelof was in regards to the ending of Lost, and his co-writing of the highly criticized Prometheus and nothing to do with anti-semitism. As far as pandering goes, yeah, sometimes it happens and it's very transparent which can take you out of the story. Other times it's just about telling a good story that's relevant to the current audience. White supremacy being the an equal threat a nuclear WWIII in general? That's stretching it.

White supremacy being an equal threat to WWIII from an American point-of-view? I can see that.
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Re: HBO orders Watchmen series from Damon Lindelof

White supremacy bolstering support for a power hungry despot with access to nuclear weapons?? Perhaps a despot with orange-ish leanings?
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Why judgemental?
The world is not black and black; it isn't one extreme or the other.
The vast majority of people are WAY too complicated to pigeonhole with labels.

Huh?
Of course political correctness can be hamfisted!

BTW, why should a movie TRY to be diverse?
Why not just BE diverse, rather than making an conscience, overt, and public effort to satisfy the Lords of Political Correctness?
Be AUTHENTIC, not appeasing.
This is Trump double speak where you're talking but not actually saying anything.
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I assumed his reservations about Lindelof was in regards to the ending of Lost, and his co-writing of the highly criticized Prometheus and nothing to do with anti-semitism. As far as pandering goes, yeah, sometimes it happens and it's very transparent which can take you out of the story. Other times it's just about telling a good story that's relevant to the current audience. White supremacy being the an equal threat a nuclear WWIII in general? That's stretching it.

White supremacy being an equal threat to WWIII from an American point-of-view? I can see that.

I didn't even know Lindelof was Jewish. But yes, it was his track record that gave me reservations. His ethnicity plays no part whatsoever.
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Other times it's just about telling a good story that's relevant to the current audience.
And that is the BEST example of diversity.

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This is Trump double speak where you're talking but not actually saying anything.
LOL, you haven't any idea how far off you are.

Obviously you didn't read my post closely and the subtle difference I was referring to went past you.
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Re: HBO orders Watchmen series from Damon Lindelof

Originally Posted by melasnus
And that is the BEST example of diversity.


LOL, you haven't any idea how far off you are.

Obviously you didn't read my post closely and the subtle difference I was referring to went past you.
"Why should a movie try to be diverse? Why not just be diverse. " Do you even hear yourself?
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"Why should a movie try to be diverse? Why not just be diverse. " Do you even hear yourself?
Uh, OK.
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Re: HBO orders Watchmen series from Damon Lindelof

That 2nd trailer has lowered my expectations
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Looks like WATCHMEN maybe only a single season series.


https://www.cbr.com/hbo-watchmen-nin...-season-story/
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Re: HBO orders Watchmen series from Damon Lindelof

I'm cool with that. Feels very "British TV "

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