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Season 3 starts June 30th.

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Watched the premiere and enjoyed it as usual. Quite a bit of humor and there was a lot more swearing than i remember on network tv. I was glad to see Dutch and Jonny in contact instead of doing a "where did jonny go? did he leave us?" angle.

still need to catch up on Dark Matter too.

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Wow, Killjoys has been on now for over 1 month and this is dead thread.

I still haven't finished season 2 yet as it's not carried by any legal streaming provider.

I guess this along with Dark Matter are shows that most here rarely feel compelled to talk about. The Expanse and Magicians seem to get a little more talk.

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You just contradicted yourself in the Dark Matter season 3 thread:


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I don't think it's a contradiction (maybe because I agree with him). I like both shows. Dark Matter has better production value, better actors and a more complex narrative. It's superior to Killjoys in all respects but I enjoy Killjoys more. It's a fun straightforward lighter sci fi shows. This show works best with the three main characters together. It's taken a few episodes but they are finally Team Awesome Force again.

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I'm still watching but I really haven't liked the cast changes for season 3 of Killjoys. They removed the entertaining supporting characters and replaced them with cheaper actors that shouldn't be permanent cast additions.

The show has continued its downward slide in quality from an entertaining first season.

I have a strong feeling that Syfy doesn't renew Killjoys past this third season. A shame because the core cast is strong, but this is a show where the writers led it down the wrong path.

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Killjoys-wise the Hullen build-up makes them feel unstoppable except for that handy genetic bomb. The expansion of the scope, beyond the 4 worlds (of the J? Is the J just those 4 in the credits? Off to check a wiki ... ), doesn't feel as organic as the narrative in Dark Matter.

For us, the latter (Dark Matter) still better than Killjoys (dick jokes? really?) but then it is Science Fiction vs. Space Opera.

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Dutch is Aneela's clone?

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I wasn't paying close attention but that seemed to be the gist of what the episode suggested. The editing in the episode wasn't dynamite with all the convoluted flashbacks.

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Or daughter? Sounded like she combined her DNA and Khylen's (sp) in the green and whipped up her younger self.

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Btw, odd that Dark Matter swung back around to an alien parasite plotline as well ... :(

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Definitely not daughter. She seems to have unique control of the green. She harvested the green from herself and created Dutch from scratch from a memory.

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They shouldn't have tried ripping off Orphan Black. I don't think the actress is pulling off the dual roles very well. She's fine as Dutch.

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http://www.thefutoncritic.com/news/2...0170901syfy01/

For those who missed the news on Friday, this was renewed for 2 more seasons (20 episodes)

The 5th season will be the final season.

Dark Matter, it's Friday counterpart, got cancelled.

Apparently SyFy has a bigger financial stake in Killjoys than Dark Matter and it came down to one or the other to keep.

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Having been with this show since the beginning, two episodes in on season four and I am about to quit watching.

I really dislike most of the newer cast members they've added the past two seasons.

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Who was the guy who played The Rack agent in the first episode flashback? Was he on any of the earlier episodes? He was great.

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Well the season ended and I don't really know what to think. I suppose they can take the show anywhere after what happened.

Should have been a series finale, would have made the whole thing more interesting. I'm beginning to lose interest.

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Yes. That's the guy who trained a lot of the Killjoys and was especially close to Dutch. All the Killjoys loved him but he stole the generic bomb, had a kill warrant taken out on him and was killed by Fancy (because some one had to and he's already the asshole.)


That would be one of the darkest series finales ever. After all the heroes' struggles the Lady wins? For me this season never really caught steam. The downside of the writers knowing they have two season to wrap things up means there was no sense of urgency. The storylines just dragged along. At least Potter was back for awhile.

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Yup, but it sure as hell would have made a lot of buzz. Some of the best sci-fi ends on a down note.

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How did this show make it to 5 seasons?

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Can we trade this for Dark Matter?

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Because SyFy owns a part of it.

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Good question.

I liked the first season. Though by the time it was the second season, I found this show somewhat lackluster and difficult to watch.

Before season 2 started, I thought about picking up the season 1 bluray but didn't at the time. By the time it was the middle of season 2, I was glad that I didn't buy the season 1 bluray set.

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The "intrepid team of bounty hunters" haven't been bounty hunters for a long time.

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Saving the universe from something, not sure what.

Still think they should have ended the series on a dark note.

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Killjoys is one of those television shows that has declined in quality each season. Started out interesting before they filled in too much of the crazy and nonsensical backstory.

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(Long tangential rant).

Slightly before the Killjoys, I encountered this same issue with other scifi/genre shows such as Continuum. This and other subsequent lackluster experiences with scifi/genre shows, eventually led to my exit from the tv on bluray market.

At the time circa 2013, I thought the first-run episodes of season 2 of Continuum and season 1 of Defiance were decent enough that I purchased the season 1 bluray season sets of both shows. I also picked up the season 1 bluray sets of Arrow, Revolution, and The Following.

(During that same time period circa late 2013, the season 1 bluray set of Under The Dome with the special "dome" packaging was a tempting impulse buy at the time. Though I passed on it, after I watched the episodes again and came to the realization that the show was a lot worse on a second viewing).

By the time it was 2014 when season 3 of Continuum was first run, I thought season 3 completely went off the rails and turned into crap with the awkward time/dimension jump which was basically like a mid-series reboot. Subsequently I became reluctant to buy any then-current scifi/genre shows on bluray, where at the time I didn't bother buying the season 2 bluray sets of Continuum, Defiance, Revolution, Arrow, and The Following.

Eventually over the next few years I picked up the season 2 bluray sets of the above mentioned shows along with the season 3 of Arrow and season 1 of Dominion, when they started showing up in local dump bins. I tried watching all these shows again, just to find out the hard way that they had very little to no rewatch value for me.

My last hurrah with then-current tv shows on bluray, was picking up the first two seasons of The Blacklist sometime during the first-run of season 3 episodes in 2016. After finding season 3 of The Blacklist to be kinda lackluster, I haven't purchased any further bluray season sets of The Blacklist.


Since then, I haven't bothered purchasing any bluray season sets of other current tv shows I've been watching, such as: The Flash, Supergirl, Blindspot, Better Call Saul, etc ...

So technically I've been "a part of the problem" of tv shows being discontinued on bluray, over the past few years. ;)

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Under The Dome was great for hate watching and then reading others' reactions as the episodes aired. It would have been a chore to binge long after broadcast.

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This can also happen in non-scifi / non-genre shows which are not generic stuff like procedurals, sitcoms, or soap operas.

A recent example is Designated Survivor. It seemed like the conspiracy 24-esque style elements were dropped entirely in season 2, and became a dumbed down West Wing or House of Cards.

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One of network television's dirty secrets is that showrunners rarely map out detailed plots beyond the first 7-13 episodes, even for serialized long-running shows. First, most shows get canceled or don't make it past that mark, so people are loathe to plot things out beyond vague end goals for characters.

It came out that Heroes started failing because the show was rarely planned out beyond 4 episodes. There are exceptions. Game of Thrones had scripts in place for the entire season before filming began, though that was greatly aided by cheating off the novels.

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Game of Thrones started its decline when it stopped having the books as a guide.

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Where would Babylon5 fit into this spectrum of planning?

IIRC, season 5 seemed like it was rudderless outside of the centaurian storyline in the latter half of the season 5.

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If I remember correctly season 4 was modified because the production house was going to shut down when it started filming. The creator had to wrap up the story unexpectedly. TNT sprung for a couple of movies and then later green lite a fifth season. Having wrapped up a lot of the story pre seaon 5 they had to do something. I doubt much of those stories would have made the show if the fifth season wasn't put in doubt.

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I'm fairly sure that J. Michael Straczynski was a meticulous showrunner that had a complete plan for Babylon 5 mapped out, but the financial vagaries of television interfered heavily with them. Though he's shown an annoying habit to build fully-realized worlds that start out fantastically and then peter out despite knowing the endgame in advance. It happened to his acclaimed comic book series, Rising Stars.

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Another major thing which has been severely limiting my enjoyment of scifi/genre stuff, is that my mentality is heavily "brain damaged" in expecting very high standards for scifi/genre shows. In practice when a particular scifi/genre show turns to shit after the first or second season, I've found that the "good" seasons also become completely unwatchable to me. For example, such as shows like: The Killjoys, Continuum, The Strain, Arrow , etc ... (Almost like the crappy later seasons completely "contaminating" the entire show's run).

Other than maybe ocd related issues, I have no idea why exactly I think this way at an unconscious or semi-conscious level.


In contrast for non-scifi type stuff, I don't really feel this way at all. For example in the case of generic procedurals like CSI, Law & Order, NCIS, Criminal Minds, etc ... franchises, in practice I've found that such shows primarily become "unwatchable" for me when they're not making new episodes anymore.

Nowadays I have very little to no interest in watching CSI, CSI: Miami or CSI:NY daily reruns. Around a decade ago or so, I use to watch CSI franchise reruns every evening on basic cable channels like Spike, AETV, etc ... (Similar story with the original Law & Order, and L&O: Criminal Intent).

Currently I still like to watch the Criminal Minds and NCIS franchise reruns every day. Only time will tell whether I'll still be interested in watching Criminal Minds after the upcoming final season 15 is over.


In a more general sense, these above ^ factors have largely led to my exit from both the "tv on dvd" and "tv on bluray" markets.

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I will say that a show devolving over the years does retroactively color my opinions of earlier, and better, seasons. I was blown away by The Magicians' first season, and the show has largely held up a higher standard of quality for its entire run. But some shows that quickly fall apart after a strong start make watching the early successes a bit tougher.