Osiris3657

Yall need to rewatch the last scene. They were outnumbered like 4 or 5 to 1. I don't care how well trained you are, if you take on those kind of odds you're very likely to lose.

Dr. DVD

My guess about Barristan

Also,

OldBoy

Yeah, I thought about how they were taken down but the harpy's were numerous. Didn't expect it to end like that. And I really like that main unsullied. Grey Wolf?
Great ep. stellar year overall I think.

Josh-da-man

Yeah, I don't know if the tv show made it clear, but the Stark and Tully bannermen were drunk from the celebration. They were also unarmed; when the bread was broken in an earlier scene it meant that they were under the protection of the Freys, and when Cat saw Roose Bolton wearing armor under his clothes, she knew they were screwed.

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Grey Worm

Axeramm

Elaria and the Sand Snakes threat to go after Myrcella makes them look like they didnt know Oberyn at all. After what happened to Elia and her children, he always said they would never hurt children.

chowderhead

They are more trained for field combat and their long spear weapons are pretty useless in close, urban combat. Danny should have used the sell swords as patrol and the unsullied only for field battles. Really, she should be emptying the treasuries and raising armies to return to Westeros instead getting bogged down in local politics.

leeta

I'm interested to see what happens when Tyrion and Dany meet. That should be interesting.

DthRdrX

I would imagine Tyrion would be invaluable in her current predicament. He is a master manipulator and will probably have a plan in no time.

MikahC

If it were actually the "untrained" slaves, I'd believe it more. Some of the slaves actually fight in the pits. They'd be good fighters in close combat. But the Sons of the Harpy are the noble elite (class, not fighters). That's why I didn't buy them being able to fight so well. Still, the numbers game becomes important. I chalked it up to the editing. You can't really tell how many Sons of the Harpy there were. What I can tell is no matter how many of them killed by the Unsullied, there continued to be more to take their place. I don't know the exact ratio, but I think we're meant to get that the Unsullied were significantly outnumbered.

thelwig14

I usually don't read or respond to got threads, but this so far has been the worst written part of the show.

I don't know if this is in the books or not, but oberyn, like you said, would have never attacked a little girl.

Baron Of Hell

Book spoiler about sand snakes


It is interesting to note how the sand snakes are a mirror image of Cersi.

thelwig14

Thanks for clearing it up without ruining anything.

I guess my point is I just don't get it.

Oberyn pretty much came across as having any female on lock down so I don't see how his message or thought process would be taken in a direction he absolutely would not have approved of if alive.

Clearly this is just nitpicking and not a big deal, but it doesn't make sense to me. Even his brother shares the same thought process. He didn't even entertain doing anything to Myrcella.

Love the show. I'll take these kind of nitpicks any day over hardcore headscratchers like Dexter, True Detective, Boardwalk, etc.

MikahC

And Oberyn won't. Oberyn would have lived (or died) by the rules of combat he signed up for. Oberyn's brother tried to point this out to Oberyn's wife, but she's not having it. She's hell bent on vengeance.

dhmac

I was only talking about the Stark men who were camped outside. I know the people inside the Frey banquet hall were unarmed, but the army camped outside still would've had their arms. And even drunk people can still fight.

CPA-ESQ.

Drunk people get "beer muscles" -- and would feel no pain.. thus proving to be a pain to dispatch of easily.

However - if they did this at 1am, when everyone was thoroughly sauced and passed out I could buy it...

if they did this after a few glasses of grog and they had a nice 'buzz' going then I would say you got a good fight on your hands.

Baron Of Hell

Book spoiler for the fight outside with the Starks. Very minor.

dhmac

I know it's explained in a more believable way in the book, that why I said in my earlier post that the show, unlike the books, at times "will depict some confrontations not realistically in order to get the story developed as quickly as possible." In other words, I think the show is trying to get to the same outcome of the battles as the books, but doesn't want - or can't afford - to spend 10 minutes of airtime on a battle to make it appear more realistic. So I forgive the less believable depiction of fights and battles that occasionally happen on the show because they do have a tight time limit to get a lot of story in and depicting every long battle scenes run counter to that. (Aside from episodes directed by Neil Marshall, that is.)

barelypure

No, what's never made sense is Jaime's hand. They can make a gold plated hand but they can't make a hand that contains a sword? Really? The grip would be odd in some instances but he would fare better with a right handed sword that he had to manipulate more as to the parrys but so much easier than learning to fight left handed all over again. The thrusts would be the same.
And I guess he's lucky that was a regular sword as Valerian steel would have severed his hand. The hand must be made of lead to be so soft as to trap a sword.

Josh-da-man

Jaime's hand is made of gold, which is a soft, malleable metal. Though I doubt it is solid lead or gold; it would be heavy as hell. Gold plated wood?

I'm not sure well a sword would work with an artificial hand. Seems like the range of motion would be so limited as to be basically useless in a fight.

dhmac

I think Jaime's false hand is made of solid gold which is a soft metal but would seem to make it risky for him to wear. (Won't someone try to kill him to steal the hand?)

Thos19

Can't they just attach a chainsaw where he lost his hand? It has worked before.

dhmac

A sword probably wouldn't work well due to his lack of wrist movement, but maybe a short knife attachment would work with the hand that he can use in combination with a sword in his left hand. Or perhaps a shield that he could attachment to his right forearm and fake hand would be useful too.

DaveNinja

she wanted to make a Jon Snow shadow assassin!

LurkerDan

Jamie went from being the best swordsmen in the land (right handed) to being useless left-handed? He should be better.

yes, I found this troubling as well.