Originally Posted by Pizza (Post 12431109)

For a group that's all about the betterment of the community, I fail to see why they stand around and knowingly let the Doc continue to beat the wife and kids since it's obviously not a secret. But let's toss out the guy who calls it for what it is and tries to do something about it. I guess it is like the normal world afterward. I feel the show is on the verge of jumping the shark. But maybe it'll go down differently next episode and not how it appears in the preview.

Originally Posted by Coladar1 (Post 12430893)

Led by a female leader? Check. One who did not appear in the funny books, no less? Double check!

Originally Posted by Coladar1 (Post 12430893)

Bottom buck? Two thumbs down for returning to a well you'd just near abouts drained dry months prior. For shame taking the Atlanta self-contained story, then basically copying and pasting many (all?) the major dramatic plot points to Alexandria, to the bloody point of transforming the leader of Alexandria in the comics so fantastically, all of which head squarely in the direction of Dawn in Atlanta - even changing his gender to a her on the show!

Originally Posted by mcnabb (Post 12431189)

Instead he went all Shane on him and now ends up looking like the bad guy, just like Shane did going into the Barn and killing all the zombies.

Originally Posted by Abob Teff (Post 12431103)

It is very interesting just how divisive of a character Rick has become. Honestly, I am glad there are a few people here who agree with me. Not as a matter of right or wrong, but because I read some of the posts here and wonder if I am watching the same show as others! :)

Rick has, through action or deliberate inaction, allowed or caused scores of people to be hurt and killed for the sole purpose of "protecting his group." (I'm not even convinced he is protecting the group, rather he is only protecting his children.)

Again, not trying to demean domestic violence by any means, but looking the other way while Pete beats Jesse is far less egregious. Hell, even if Pete beats her and the kids to death, Rick will still be far ahead in the tally column, and Alexandria will have done what Rick has done for 5 seasons now. I am not saying either is justified ... I am saying you cannot defend one at the expense of the other.

So if Rick so despises the "cowardly and incompetent" Alexandrians, why the hell is he still lugging Father Gabriel around? He locked the doors and allowed his whole congregation to be eaten alive just so he could get his beauty sleep.

I don't usually do this, but I have to ask this: (COMIC SPOILER, no detail included to actually be a spoiler, but I'd rather not invoke the wrath of the spoiler gods)

Originally Posted by hanshotfirst1138 (Post 12431260)

Like Andrea said though, Shane was right about that particular call, even if the way he made his point was decidedly not.



They're all shell-shocked from their years out in the brutal wilderness. I kind of see Rick's point. If those walls came down, he and his crew are survivors, the Alexandrians would be dead in five minutes. They live in Spielbergland and go outside sporadically. They haven't seen towns full of cannibals, gangs of murdering rapists, their friends and family literally torn to pieces, or people being tortured. Like Sasha said, outside people are in unimaginable conditions and their idea of a problem is rationing chocolate.

Originally Posted by TerryW (Post 12431303)

They can always go back and get the other doctor from the hospital.

Originally Posted by majorjoe23 (Post 12431363)

Just a 1,200 mile round trip through territory infested by zombies and possible cannibal and rape gangs to retrieve a guy who is hopefully still alive.

Plus, that's assuming he would be willing to go and the armed members of his community would be willing to let him go.

Originally Posted by argh923 (Post 12431398)

For people familiar with the comics...does anyone think that one of the people Deanna exiled will wind up being ?

Originally Posted by argh923 (Post 12431398)

For people familiar with the comics...does anyone think that one of the people Deanna exiled will wind up being ?

Originally Posted by Groucho (Post 12431483)

Yeah, ain't nobody running to that song unless they have a limp or something.

Originally Posted by fumanstan (Post 12430111)

One of the major things I think the show has failed to do was properly establish Rick as a decent leader, someone who folks would want to follow and actually listen to. To turn him as wild as they did in this episode, I think he had to have established himself better in previous seasons or at least re-establish himself after previous crazy bouts. I don't have any issues with the situation at hand as a story line, but Rick went a little too far cuckoo to me.

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Originally Posted by Abob Teff (Post 12430300)

Rick has plenty of reasons to be batshit crazy, I won't disagree with that. However EVERYBODY in his group has lost as much, if not more, than he has. Rick still has most of his family. He now has a familiar "job" tying him back to his old life. Yet, almost everybody has managed to adjust MUCH better than Rick.
As for comparing Rick to the Alexandrians, they are far more alike than different. I may take some flak for this, but allowing the surgeon to beat his wife is no different than many of the decisions Rick and his group have made: sacrifice for the greater good.

Originally Posted by Neil M. (Post 12430343)

This was probably the first time in the entire series where I felt the show did a better job than the comic and it's because of one little change.....Pete is the one that started the physical altercation. Completely changes the view that Rick is crazy and sets up next week's episode nicely.

Originally Posted by Draven (Post 12431300)

I still don't understand why people don't find the issue with the doctor interesting and exactly the kind of thing the show should be exploring. Now, if a doctor does something like that in our world, you can arrest him because there are plenty of other doctors. But when there is only one doctor (or one soldier, or one engineer, or one person who knows how to do something important for a community), they you are faced with a completely different problem. It's good stuff to see them try to work through it.

Originally Posted by d2cheer (Post 12431542)

The group is basically alive because of him. HE was the reason that they got away from the trough at Terminus… You must have never worked in a high stress situation ever only to have to recover and do it all over again. I have seen many meltdowns... only to have them return normal. The fact that they all are not batshit crazy is a miracle.

Originally Posted by Shazam (Post 12431531)

Rosita is posing in Playboy.

Originally Posted by fumanstan (Post 12431553)

They got away from the trough because of a typical TV show trope where the captors got distracted right before the main cast was to be killed :) That said I disagree, I think he's also put the group in danger through various situations at the prison and Woodbury.

And let's not turn this in to comparing what we've done in real life in high stress situations, it's basically irrelevant in a zombie TV show.

Originally Posted by Shazam (Post 12431531)

Rosita is posing in Playboy.

Originally Posted by Dr. DVD (Post 12431802)

I've read ahead in the comic and putting this together with what the sites have been reporting, here is what I think will happen:



Could be wrong, but just doing the math. :)

Originally Posted by DthRdrX (Post 12431816)

She posed in Feb. Pictures are already out. No nudity.

Originally Posted by Dr. DVD (Post 12431802)

I've read ahead in the comic and putting this together with what the sites have been reporting, here is what I think will happen:



Could be wrong, but just doing the math. :)

Originally Posted by fumanstan (Post 12431916)

Originally Posted by hanshotfirst1138 (Post 12431871)

Playboy does non-nude pictures? Shit, I've been misinformed for many years.

Originally Posted by rw2516 (Post 12431176)

Let's not forget Pete smacks his wife in the face right in front of the whole town and everybody still sides against Rick.

Originally Posted by hanshotfirst1138 (Post 12431260)

They're all shell-shocked from their years out in the brutal wilderness. I kind of see Rick's point. If those walls came down, he and his crew are survivors, the Alexandrians would be dead in five minutes. They live in Spielbergland and go outside sporadically. They haven't seen towns full of cannibals, gangs of murdering rapists, their friends and family literally torn to pieces, or people being tortured. Like Sasha said, outside people are in unimaginable conditions and their idea of a problem is rationing chocolate.

Originally Posted by raven56706 (Post 12431264)

God i hope a certain someone shows up...i mean this show cant go on forever... or it can with the ratings they get..

Originally Posted by Neil M. (Post 12431313)

I don't really understand your argument about how Rick and the Alexandrians are the same. Dealing with a problem that may involve the death of some people is the exact opposite of looking the other way while someone is getting hurt or may be killed. That is why Rick is a good leader. He's willing to make hard decisions. Deanna doesn't make any of these types of decisions. She uses the threat of exile but knows that there is a huge risk of exiled people coming back for revenge. She's a poor leader because she doesn't protect her people.

Originally Posted by hanshotfirst1138 (Post 12431871)

Playboy does non-nude pictures? Shit, I've been misinformed for many years.