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Old 09-29-14, 03:46 PM
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Re: Doctor Who (S8E06) -- "The Caretaker" -- 9/27/14

It's actually been over a year since Pink got there, apparently.

And the reason the alien threat was focused on that area of London was due to the Doctor -- he's the one who gives off artron energy. Because he has spent so much time in that part of the UK during this time period, that's why the threat was there. It's a subtle nod, but I think it ties into that whole idea of the Doctor trying to make up for the mistakes and terrors he's caused. (Which seems to tie into the whole nethersphere arc as well.)
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Old 09-29-14, 05:47 PM
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Re: Doctor Who (S8E06) -- "The Caretaker" -- 9/27/14

I didn't watch this episode, but I think this season has lost me. Capaldi shows promise, and I don't hate anything about the show, but it's just felt like a slog to get through the Who I have watched. I've been becoming increasingly disenchanted with the show from series 7 of Smith's run (the stuff just past River Song's finale), so this isn't Capaldi's fault, but I was hoping that the new Doctor would reinvigorate the show for me. Sadly that hasn't been the case.
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Old 09-29-14, 09:07 PM
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Re: Doctor Who (S8E06) -- "The Caretaker" -- 9/27/14

This Doctor comes off so grumpy, not a huge fan of that aspect.

Based on what I have seen so far I'm not going to mind if this is a one and done, something just feels off.
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Re: Doctor Who (S8E06) -- "The Caretaker" -- 9/27/14

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something just feels off.
Agreed. There was always a sense of childlike wonder to this show, and this season - so far - just doesn't have it.
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Old 09-29-14, 09:55 PM
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Re: Doctor Who (S8E06) -- "The Caretaker" -- 9/27/14

Personally, I am enjoying the season but I haven't been a huge fan since RTD left the building.
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Old 09-30-14, 06:57 AM
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Re: Doctor Who (S8E06) -- "The Caretaker" -- 9/27/14

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So much so that I'm starting to think they're building to something. Either Jenna Coleman leaving at Christmas as rumored or something terrible happening to Danny Pink. But since we already know he'll eventually have children, it's probably Jenna leaving.
I'll throw a dart. Danny Pink gets killed, Clara is pregnant with his child and leaves the Doctor, Doctor picks up Orson Pink from the future to be his companion.
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Old 10-03-14, 01:00 PM
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Re: Doctor Who (S8E06) -- "The Caretaker" -- 9/27/14

it has been nagging at me where i knew the actress who plays Courtney Woods before

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she played Snow, in The Warriors

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Doctor Who (S8E07) -- "Kill The Moon" -- 10/4/14



In 2049, The Doctor, Clara Oswald and Courtney Woods find themselves on a space shuttle making a suicide mission to the moon that crash-lands on the lunar surface, where they find a mining base full of corpses and vicious spider-like creatures poised to attack and a terrible dilemma. When Clara turns to the Doctor for help, she gets the shock of her life.

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Re: Doctor Who (S8E07) -- "Kill The Moon" -- 10/4/14

The couple of reviews I've seen this afternoon have been positive. Looking forward to it.
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Old 10-04-14, 06:52 PM
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Re: Doctor Who (S8E07) -- "Kill The Moon" -- 10/4/14

Damn, they're making it really hard to decide what is my favorite episode this season. This was another one that I absolutely loved. Except for the whole spider thing since no no no no no I don't do spiders.
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Old 10-04-14, 07:18 PM
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Re: Doctor Who (S8E07) -- "Kill The Moon" -- 10/4/14

Many people are going to have moon on their face after watching this episode.
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Old 10-04-14, 09:32 PM
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Re: Doctor Who (S8E07) -- "Kill The Moon" -- 10/4/14

This episode had potential but had 3 things that annoyed the heck out of me.

1. The annoying kid. Enough said.

2. The obvious and predictable moralizing. I know it's part of the show, but the moral dilemma that was the heart of this episode was completely undercut because it was so telegraphed what the "right" thing to do was, and everyone watching knew that doing the "right" thing would not result in the destruction of human kind. And that's because....

3. Magic physics. Again, par for the course, time travel show after all, but there are limits. From the start I was annoyed at mass appearing inside the moon, and the egg explanation for that was even more annoying. But then the moon breaks apart and the debris magically disappears because.. um, the Doctor says so? Then the creature lays a new moon when we aren't looking that only slight bigger than itself. To me this ending went beyond the normal deus ex machina for the show.

All that said, the spiders were cool, and the exterior shots looked pretty good as well. Clara's fit seemed more like forced drama than something organic. The Doctor's being completely dismissive about people getting killed continues. I keep expecting him to be called out on it. Maybe it ties into the heaven arc.
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Old 10-04-14, 10:27 PM
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Re: Doctor Who (S8E07) -- "Kill The Moon" -- 10/4/14

That was ridiculous, even for this show. One of the weakest episodes of NuWho.
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Re: Doctor Who (S8E07) -- "Kill The Moon" -- 10/4/14

Oh, god, there was some shit science in there.

Aside from the physics, we were shown that the side of the Earth facing the moon was the nightside, yet when the TARDIS dematerializes on Earth to watch the moon hatch it was broad daylight.

And the moon has been there for a lot longer than one hundred million years.

And what was up with all of the abortion rhetoric?

Who the fuck was the science consultant on this? The Heritage Foundation?

Also seemed the The Doctor was being a major asshole, and acting wholly out of character on top of that. All he does is interfere with history.
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Re: Doctor Who (S8E07) -- "Kill The Moon" -- 10/4/14

I hate lazy writing, so I hated this episode. Oh, and how convenient that the doctor can't see key moments/junctures in time. And, he can't try and guide us silly humans to the correct decision. Hey, Earth, vote by turning on or off your lights . . .oh, never mind. They couldn't even let us feel good about ourselves. Well, then, let it be the wrong decision and make things interesting rather than convenient plotting.
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Re: Doctor Who (S8E07) -- "Kill The Moon" -- 10/4/14

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And the moon has been there for a lot longer than one hundred million years.
I kind of went o.O when I heard that. The Moon has been there a LOT longer then that.

Also seemed the The Doctor was being a major asshole, and acting wholly out of character on top of that. All he does is interfere with history.
More often then not this Doctor is bothering me with his attitude.
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Old 10-05-14, 12:38 PM
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Re: Doctor Who (S8E07) -- "Kill The Moon" -- 10/4/14

I must make a confession: I gave up this season after three episodes. I keep checking the weekly threads to see if things have gotten better, and they haven't. I wonder if Capaldi is as frustrated with the scripts as the rest of us seem to be.
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Old 10-05-14, 12:53 PM
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Re: Doctor Who (S8E07) -- "Kill The Moon" -- 10/4/14

I didn't mind the Doctor leaving the decision up to humans. Yes it was completely out of character, but it set up an interesting idea. This was a decision that would both immensely impact and define human civilization and so it was humanity's decision to make.

Of course, not knowing that magic would save them, humanity as a whole appeared to have made the "wrong" choice. I was expecting at least a little moralizing on that point from the doctor, or perhaps a suggestion that the guilt or regret from that choice had a lasting impact on humanity as it spread across the universe. If either was there I missed it.

Regarding the abortion theme, I have to give them props for it. For a series that is full of heavy handed, leftist allegories this was relatively subtle and balanced, or even conservative. Some are saying it's pro-life propaganda, but that is only true in that the Doctor has always been for the preservation of life. In Genesis of the Daleks he even refuses to "abort" the daleks as a species. The episode also had a pro-choice message with the Doctor leaving it up to "womankind" to make the decision. Of course, we all know that "pro-choice" isn't just about supporting choice, but also supporting the choice to kill the unborn. Not surprisingly, the Doctor didn't do that, which got some upset. Personally, I think it would have been a stronger episode if it had taken the "pro-choice" option and killed the creature, or at least had negative consequences for the "pro-life" decision, instead we got a fairy tale ending.

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Old 10-05-14, 06:26 PM
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Re: Doctor Who (S8E07) -- "Kill The Moon" -- 10/4/14

The only think I take away from this episode is that the regeneration limit is completed lifted not just reset.
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Old 10-05-14, 07:06 PM
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Re: Doctor Who (S8E07) -- "Kill The Moon" -- 10/4/14

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And the moon has been there for a lot longer than one hundred million years.
Maybe that's why he knew it would be fine -- this cycle has occurred many times in the moon's history. Just a guess.

The writing was scientifically gibberish, yes. For some reason I just laugh at it and still enjoy the episode.
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Re: Doctor Who (S8E07) -- "Kill The Moon" -- 10/4/14

At least Clara had the line "ill smack you so hard youll regenerate."
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Old 10-06-14, 07:11 AM
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Re: Doctor Who (S8E07) -- "Kill The Moon" -- 10/4/14

I really want to like Capaldi -- and he's shown flashes of really good work -- but I'm so tired of the story lines and plotting at this point that may need to take break from the show.
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Old 10-06-14, 08:24 AM
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Re: Doctor Who (S8E07) -- "Kill The Moon" -- 10/4/14

I really enjoyed the episode. It was tense and rather unpredictable. I find that SciFi is really strong when it is used as an allegory for social issues, so I though the abortion theme worked quite good.

I know the words "fixed point" were not said, but that's how I took the explanation. So I don't understand why everybody is saying it was a convenient plot device to have the Doctor say he can't say the outcome. It's been established before.

I did like how Clara reacted. It seemed genuine and I hope it's something that sticks. However, it was convenient after Danny just said as much last episode about not letting the Doctor push her too far. At this rate, I expect Clara will be gone by the Xmas special.
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Old 10-06-14, 10:18 AM
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Re: Doctor Who (S8E07) -- "Kill The Moon" -- 10/4/14

Gee, I've been enjoying these episodes.

I think a lot of people just want the happy prancing Doctor back.
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