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Old 07-27-14, 02:58 PM
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Masters of Sex (S2E03) -- "Fight" -- 7/27/14





Virginia learns about Masters' troubled childhood when they meet at a hotel for a secret rendezvous.


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Old 07-28-14, 12:49 PM
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Re: Masters of Sex (S2E03) -- "Fight" -- 7/27/14

Great episode.

The baby in that device for the x-ray was really uncomfortable to see/

Apparently boxing matches lasted hours back then
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Re: Masters of Sex (S2E03) -- "Fight" -- 7/27/14

Great episode... but yea... the length of the boxing match kind of threw me off.
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Re: Masters of Sex (S2E03) -- "Fight" -- 7/27/14

"I just had you up against the wall of the bathroom. That doesn't exactly qualify for the cover of the Saturday Evening Post."
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Re: Masters of Sex (S2E03) -- "Fight" -- 7/27/14

I thought it was pretty dull.

They were trying hard to be Mad Men with the metaphores, but Mad Men doesn't usually hammer you on the head with them - and certainly not for the entire episode.

It felt like a bottle episode that was trying way too hard.
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Re: Masters of Sex (S2E03) -- "Fight" -- 7/27/14

Originally Posted by Coral View Post
I thought it was pretty dull.

They were trying hard to be Mad Men with the metaphores, but Mad Men doesn't usually hammer you on the head with them - and certainly not for the entire episode.

It felt like a bottle episode that was trying way too hard.
Exactly my feelings as well. Trying way too hard to be "The Suitcase", right down to the prizefight. That episode of Mad Men was an instant classic - it was unexpected, fresh and showed a new side of characters we thought we knew very well. This episode was just too talkie, too forced and way too slow. And that fight went on way, way, way too long. It's like it was written by someone who had never seen a fight before or thought nobody watching at home would notice. Either that, or Masters & Johnson bathe, screw and eat VERY quickly.
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Re: Masters of Sex (S2E03) -- "Fight" -- 7/27/14

I agree. Pretty boring and all the boxing talk just felt really out of place. First dud for this otherwise stellar show.
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Re: Masters of Sex (S2E03) -- "Fight" -- 7/27/14

I thought it was an incredible episode. I really love these two characters and it was great to finally get some insight into their pasts. And the performances here were stellar - some of those monologues were utterly captivating. Sheen so perfectly encapsulates Masters' weird inhibitions and emotional insecurities.
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Re: Masters of Sex (S2E03) -- "Fight" -- 7/27/14

One thing about this episode that really bothered me, as a doctor, was the baby presented. Bill immediately diagnoses Congenital Adrenal Hyposplasia and ambiguous genitalia in a male infant. The problem is while CAH can virilze femaile infants and give them ambiguous genitalia or even a phallus, in males it's either asymptomatic or gives them a large phallus. It also causes problems with salt wasting that can be life-threatening. If you're going to make a medical show, you should really have a medical expert on staff. Barring that, at least look up the diagnosis in Wikipedia.
Also, in 2014 it takes me a few days to get chromosomal analysis back, but at Bill's hospital in St Louis in 1959 he can get the results in a few hours. I won't say that's impossible, because I don't know for sure, but at very least it's damn impressive.

This all seems to me much like stretching out the fight to an absurd length of time -- story details ignored to serve the overall narrative. That seems lazy to me.

Anyway, I checked out Alan Sepinwall's review and surprisingly he seems to really like this episode (and says the writer claims all similarities to The Suitcase are completely accidental)
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Re: Masters of Sex (S2E03) -- "Fight" -- 7/27/14

The fight was really distracting and way too long

But man, Lizzy Kaplan, wow
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Re: Masters of Sex (S2E03) -- "Fight" -- 7/27/14

I've still yet to begin seeing Mad Men so no frame of reference on how they copied the premise in this episode. But I though it was OK overall despite the slow pacing on the actual fight.

Essentially it was just a "character development" episode where we gleaned more insight regarding the childhood of Bill Masters and his father. He revealed to Virginia things that he probably never told Libby.

I do find it hilarious that these two are still treating this as a study and not an affair. Although any of their associates from the outside looking in would likely disagree. For now I am going to assume that the hotel "studies" are historically accurate and see where they go with it.
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Re: Masters of Sex (S2E03) -- "Fight" -- 7/27/14

Here's the actual fight, all 35 minutes of it:
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Re: Masters of Sex (S2E03) -- "Fight" -- 7/27/14

35 minutes.

So lemme see... they banged 3 or 4 times, ate dinner, watched part of the fight, discussed their childhoods (fake and real), taught/learned boxing punches, took showers, masturbated/watched and left the room in time to catch the tail end of the fight... all in a span of 35 minutes.

Rename the show to "Masters of Time".
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Re: Masters of Sex (S2E03) -- "Fight" -- 7/27/14

Twice. Only banged twice, per their summary report at the end of the evening. You forgot "Ordered Dinner" during the fight as well.

Maybe next season they can have a change of pace episode where they have deep discussions, fight, have sex and emotional breakdowns while somebody down the hall holds their breath or falls out of a chair.
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Re: Masters of Sex (S2E03) -- "Fight" -- 7/27/14

Originally Posted by Coral View Post
35 minutes.

So lemme see... they banged 3 or 4 times, ate dinner, watched part of the fight, discussed their childhoods (fake and real), taught/learned boxing punches, took showers, masturbated/watched and left the room in time to catch the tail end of the fight... all in a span of 35 minutes.

Rename the show to "Masters of Time".
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Re: Masters of Sex (S2E03) -- "Fight" -- 7/27/14

Originally Posted by Coral View Post
35 minutes.

So lemme see... they banged 3 or 4 times, ate dinner, watched part of the fight, discussed their childhoods (fake and real), taught/learned boxing punches, took showers, masturbated/watched and left the room in time to catch the tail end of the fight... all in a span of 35 minutes.

Rename the show to "Masters of Time".
also took a bath, changed paid the clerk and watched the end of the fight in the lobby bar..
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Re: Masters of Sex (S2E03) -- "Fight" -- 7/27/14

Certainly there were problems with the episode, but I'll take a show that's trying and occasionally fails as opposed to most of the crap that's out there.
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Re: Masters of Sex (S2E03) -- "Fight" -- 7/27/14

Originally Posted by Astrofan View Post
Certainly there were problems with the episode, but I'll take a show that's trying and occasionally fails as opposed to most of the crap that's out there.
Agreed 100%
Still a great show
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Re: Masters of Sex (S2E03) -- "Fight" -- 7/27/14

Originally Posted by mphtrilogy View Post
also took a bath, changed paid the clerk and watched the end of the fight in the lobby bar..

Don't forget the haircut as well! I thought the episode dragged also, and then Lizzie dropped her robe and I forgot everything that happened before and after (a reaction that I am sure Ms Caplan is overly familiar).

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