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Michael Corvin 05-22-14 10:06 PM

Re: Just a thought about why so many New Shows got Cancelled
 

Originally Posted by writer106 (Post 12114911)
I noticed that too in the past. I remember watching the E! True Hollywood Story of Cheers and it was pointed out that the show started off with low ratings and some bad critic reviews and evolved in time. In recent years, the one show that I think was give a chance to evolve into a great show was Parks and Rec. The first season wasn't great, but NBC gave it chance and it improved in the second season.

Not just low ratings, it finished the season as the worst rated show on television.

DJariya 05-22-14 10:48 PM

Re: Just a thought about why so many New Shows got Cancelled
 

Originally Posted by writer106 (Post 12114911)
I noticed that too in the past. I remember watching the E! True Hollywood Story of Cheers and it was pointed out that the show started off with low ratings and some bad critic reviews and evolved in time. In recent years, the one show that I think was give a chance to evolve into a great show was Parks and Rec. The first season wasn't great, but NBC gave it chance and it improved in the second season.

You can't compare shows produced in 1982 vs a show produced in 2014. Talking about Cheers. Shows were a lot cheaper to make back then and didn't have DVRs or Streamimg taking away live viewers. Ratings for TV shows back in the 80s and 90s were so much higher too because people were practically forced to watch stuff live.

TV shows now are so expensive to make. They need quick results 9 times out of 10. Most TV shows don't even make money after 1 airing.

mhg83 05-22-14 11:25 PM

Re: Just a thought about why so many New Shows got Cancelled
 
As more and more streaming/on-demand services pop up the concept of watching Live TV is becoming extinct. The last time i watched something live was the season 9 premiere of 24. It reminded me of why i stopped watching Live TV. It's time for Networks to stop living in the past and adapt. HULU is nice but nowhere near perfection. Offer the entire season/seasons of shows and stream the same night a new episode airs. Give me an option for a higher subscription rate to get rid of ads or minimize them. Have a new set of PILOTS to shop around? Why not put them up on the streaming service and let the viewers vote on which shows they like the most. There's so much more potential in streaming instead of Live TV.

PhantomStranger 05-23-14 12:28 AM

Re: Just a thought about why so many New Shows got Cancelled
 
The DVR and rise of back catalog streaming has changed the entire game for television. There is too much competition now to allow a struggling show to grow an audience unless there are good indicators it can be quickly salvaged.

Haven become a great show only after its poor first season, but I don't think any network other than SyFy would have kept it around longer than one season. Their economics dictate at a minimum of two seasons, they can't play the cancellation game as much as the richer networks.

boredsilly 05-23-14 04:47 AM

Re: Just a thought about why so many New Shows got Cancelled
 

Originally Posted by Mike86 (Post 12114832)
Yeah I agree with this somewhat. "Binge" watching shows seems to be the trend now days and I think a lot of people will just wait until something is on Netflix or saved up on their DVR or whatever and burn through a show fast, probably after it's been on for a while and has decent word of mouth and whatnot. So the ratings may not be as strong for some shows because people watch them later.

I've found myself doing this more and more. Recently, I deleted the eps of Orphan Black season 2 off of my DVR because I figured I will just watch the season once it's all done on demand. Also waiting for Fargo to be nearly done before I watch it. I find batching shows like this much more satisfying as I can keep up with the finer plot points easier.

Hokeyboy 05-23-14 05:10 AM

Re: Just a thought about why so many New Shows got Cancelled
 

Originally Posted by Michael Corvin (Post 12114902)
Your original statement reads like a general statement for everyone.

This is a discussion forum. The "in my opinion" is automatically implied.

UAIOE 05-23-14 10:21 PM

Re: Just a thought about why so many New Shows got Cancelled
 

Originally Posted by dan30oly (Post 12114900)
I'm still pissed Bad Teacher was cancelled.

I just don't understand how a show can be dropped after two episodes. I understand a show pulling in low ratings, but two episodes? That isn't even enough time for a show to find an audience.

writer106 05-23-14 10:52 PM

Re: Just a thought about why so many New Shows got Cancelled
 

Originally Posted by UAIOE (Post 12115851)
I just don't understand how a show can be dropped after two episodes. I understand a show pulling in low ratings, but two episodes? That isn't even enough time for a show to find an audience.

Shows getting pulled after two episodes has happened several times. I remember FOX pulled Lone Star after two episodes in 2010. Some critics liked the pilot for that show and it had a Mad Men meets Dallas type vibe. I think maybe if it had premiered a year or two later, it would have found an audience with people who like Revenge and similar shows.

I recall there was a show on ABC that starred Heather Graham that got pulled after an episode or two.

UAIOE 05-23-14 11:04 PM

Re: Just a thought about why so many New Shows got Cancelled
 
I take back that comment. I just remembered how terrible "DADS" was after viewing *ONE* episode, and how I wish it would be canceled.

VHS? 05-23-14 11:10 PM

Re: Just a thought about why so many New Shows got Cancelled
 
Like said, just too many shows, and it's unrealistic for networks to think they can get the amount of viewership they think they can. I always find it ridiculous when a new show is put up against a breadwinner and it gets cancelled due to low ratings.

I think in the next 10 years networks wont be the ones with the big shows. Streaming is where it will be and I think you can get more bang for the buck in advertising that will allow shows to stick around longer.

PhantomStranger 05-24-14 12:09 AM

Re: Just a thought about why so many New Shows got Cancelled
 

Originally Posted by UAIOE (Post 12115851)
I just don't understand how a show can be dropped after two episodes. I understand a show pulling in low ratings, but two episodes? That isn't even enough time for a show to find an audience.

You have to remember that the network has already seen the first six or seven episodes by the time the pilot airs. If the execs believe it's an awful show and it stumbles in ratings out of the gate, there is no reason to keep it around. There can be many other internal factors on why a show gets quickly canceled that are rarely discussed in public circles.

~~ PAL ~~ 05-24-14 04:13 AM

Re: Just a thought about why so many New Shows got Cancelled
 
This is only conjecture, but at least it makes sense to me. I believe the networks have some type of set goals in mind for any new show starting out. Such as 15 M and 5.0 share as being a success beyond their wildest dreams, 8-9M or 3.0 share as a modest success and what they are shooting for. If a show debuts way below the Mendoza line, to the tune of 4 M and 0.9 shares, then it's a DOA show that they will pull the plug on immediately. Shows that bombed out of the gate probably does not even come close to their minimalist expectations and thus gets the axe within a few episodes.

JimRochester 05-24-14 06:47 AM

Re: Just a thought about why so many New Shows got Cancelled
 
In the olden days, There were fewer shows and a 22 - 26 episode season was standard. They were already in the can for that many episodes so they were more committed to keeping them around. Plus there were fewer to take it's place. With the current 6 - 13 episode "trials" it's pretty easy to toss it to the curb.


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