Black Mirror: Bandersnatch (Netflix) -- choose your own adventure episode
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Looking at the flow chart, I think I saw almost everything, there were a couple points where I had the choice of going to the end credits or having the chance to try another option. Of course, I didn't choose the former, who would if you are given a choice?
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This was supposed to be my big New Year's Eve movie for the wife and me.
I talked it up beforehand based upon the novelty of the approach and as a confirmed fan of the series.
After 20 minutes in, I realized I didn't give a rat's ass about the characters or what might happen to them one wit.
Dumped it and moved on...
I talked it up beforehand based upon the novelty of the approach and as a confirmed fan of the series.
After 20 minutes in, I realized I didn't give a rat's ass about the characters or what might happen to them one wit.
Dumped it and moved on...
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This was my reaction.
My wife got me the book Inside Black Mirror for Christmas and I read the entire thing in two days. It gave me an all-new appreciation for the series, which really whet my appetite for Bandersnatch. I can't say I was bored at all, and the gimmick really did draw me in, but once it was all over, the story itself left me dissatisfied. I kept hoping that maybe Stefan (and the viewer) would end up trapped in a loop of some kind, or that Stefan's rebellion against his Netflix "controller" would have more of a pay-off. The ultimate message (as I understood it) that the character's destiny was set regardless of the choices made just fell flat with me. The episode is full of clever ideas, but the story lacks a climax, IMO.
My wife got me the book Inside Black Mirror for Christmas and I read the entire thing in two days. It gave me an all-new appreciation for the series, which really whet my appetite for Bandersnatch. I can't say I was bored at all, and the gimmick really did draw me in, but once it was all over, the story itself left me dissatisfied. I kept hoping that maybe Stefan (and the viewer) would end up trapped in a loop of some kind, or that Stefan's rebellion against his Netflix "controller" would have more of a pay-off. The ultimate message (as I understood it) that the character's destiny was set regardless of the choices made just fell flat with me. The episode is full of clever ideas, but the story lacks a climax, IMO.
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The actor who played Colin in this has quit Twitter because of the usual brave assholes hiding behind their computer screens calling him ugly, etc. I'd love to see what some of those beauties look like. Not surprising, considering the cesspool that social media has become, good for him, no one should have to put up with this crap.
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Yeah, people are fucking idiots. I had to look up the actor, since he was so familiar, and saw he was in The Revenant. Duh. Should've remembered that.
Also, it was very cool to hear Laurie Anderson's "O Superman" in Bandersnatch.
Also, it was very cool to hear Laurie Anderson's "O Superman" in Bandersnatch.
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Your YouTube link isn't showing up for me. Possibly the new forum software is the cause?
Weird... I see it where I've quoted you, but not in your original post. It seems to show up using the yt /yt delimiters.
*Edit* Okay, so it doesn't show up in my post, either, with the delimiters. It shows up in the post preview.
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Re: Black Mirror -- British anthology series -- Channel 4 / Netflix
The actor who played Colin in this has quit Twitter because of the usual brave assholes hiding behind their computer screens calling him ugly, etc. I'd love to see what some of those beauties look like. Not surprising, considering the cesspool that social media has become, good for him, no one should have to put up with this crap.
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Netflix has released a few making-of featurettes on Youtube:
Also, I don't think it's been mentioned in this thread, but this movie is apparently inspired by a real-life attempt in 1984 to create a game called Bandersnatch by gaming company Imagine Software. The game was supposedly so advanced they needed to include a hardware add-on for the Z Spectrum with the game. Imagine went bankrupt before the game was released, but a documentary crew was on hand during the collapse and created the 1984 documentary "Commercial Breaks - The Battle For Santa's Software" covering it. It's available to view on Youtube:
Also, I don't think it's been mentioned in this thread, but this movie is apparently inspired by a real-life attempt in 1984 to create a game called Bandersnatch by gaming company Imagine Software. The game was supposedly so advanced they needed to include a hardware add-on for the Z Spectrum with the game. Imagine went bankrupt before the game was released, but a documentary crew was on hand during the collapse and created the 1984 documentary "Commercial Breaks - The Battle For Santa's Software" covering it. It's available to view on Youtube:
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The actor who played Colin in this has quit Twitter because of the usual brave assholes hiding behind their computer screens calling him ugly, etc. I'd love to see what some of those beauties look like. Not surprising, considering the cesspool that social media has become, good for him, no one should have to put up with this crap.
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I had a Commodore 64, and it's cassette player was really slow as well. I ended up saving my money all summer so that I could buy a disc drive for it. Much better, and we had a dual disc drive in the computer lab at school, so every lunch and break it was non-stop game copying. Oh crap, maybe I shouldn't talk about that here, am I breaking a rule? Oh hell, that was nearly 35 years ago, so fuck it.
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This was supposed to be my big New Year's Eve movie for the wife and me.
I talked it up beforehand based upon the novelty of the approach and as a confirmed fan of the series.
After 20 minutes in, I realized I didn't give a rat's ass about the characters or what might happen to them one wit.
Dumped it and moved on...
I talked it up beforehand based upon the novelty of the approach and as a confirmed fan of the series.
After 20 minutes in, I realized I didn't give a rat's ass about the characters or what might happen to them one wit.
Dumped it and moved on...
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San Junipero was a good episode, but the ending was really obvious for a Black Mirror episode.
Also, the movie ends when you get to an ending -- them allowing you to keep going definitely took away from it (but saved me time since I would have gone for every ending regardless). I like to believe him going to the doctor and kicking his dad in the balls was the proper ending.
Also, the movie ends when you get to an ending -- them allowing you to keep going definitely took away from it (but saved me time since I would have gone for every ending regardless). I like to believe him going to the doctor and kicking his dad in the balls was the proper ending.
Last edited by RichC2; 01-07-19 at 12:16 PM.
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Netflix Hit With Lawsuit Over ‘Bandersnatch’ by ‘Choose Your Own Adventure’ Book Publisher
https://variety.com/2019/biz/news/ba...ix-1203105544/
https://variety.com/2019/biz/news/ba...ix-1203105544/
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There's tons of off-brand CYOA adventure series. The genre is called gamebooks, although that includes books that play like a solitaire RPG.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamebook
https://gamebooks.org/Series/List
Ryan North has a series of "Chooseable-Path Adventures" based on Shakespeare. Doctor Who has the "Decide Your Destiny" and "Choose the Future" series of books. There's "Pick Your Own Quest" and "You Say Which Way Adventures" book series.
Then there's the books that more closely ape the CYOA name, and even book cover design. "Choose Your Own Misery: Dating", "Killing Hitler With Praise And Fire: Choose Your Own Horrible History", "Ocean of Lard (Choose Your Own Mindf*** Fest #17)" , and "Escape from Fire Island!: A Date with Destiny Adventure". These are also more mature titles aimed at adults. They may get away with the similarities by being parodies of the CYOA series.
There's also gamebook erotica, so definitely more "adult" than the CYOA series.
This is also not Netflix's first interactive episode. They've done interactive episodes of Puss in Boots, Buddy Thunderstruck, and Stretch Armstrong before Bandersnatch
https://www.indiewire.com/2018/05/ne...ut-1201959464/
I think Bandersnatch rose the level of prominence of the episodes Netflix was doing though, which maybe prompted this response. The two main points the CYOA team have for their trademark infringement claim are that a character actually says the phrase "choose your own adventure" in the episode, and that Netflix tried to negotiate a license for the CYOA name. I think the idea is that since Netflix tried to license the name, they new they could be potentially infringing on the trademark. However, CYOA is just a trademark, not a copyright or patent over the genre, so Netflix isn't infringing just by making interactive content. Also, while the phrase is used in Bandersnatch, I don't think it credibly confuses the reasonable consumer into thinking it's officially connected to the CYOA book series.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamebook
https://gamebooks.org/Series/List
Ryan North has a series of "Chooseable-Path Adventures" based on Shakespeare. Doctor Who has the "Decide Your Destiny" and "Choose the Future" series of books. There's "Pick Your Own Quest" and "You Say Which Way Adventures" book series.
Then there's the books that more closely ape the CYOA name, and even book cover design. "Choose Your Own Misery: Dating", "Killing Hitler With Praise And Fire: Choose Your Own Horrible History", "Ocean of Lard (Choose Your Own Mindf*** Fest #17)" , and "Escape from Fire Island!: A Date with Destiny Adventure". These are also more mature titles aimed at adults. They may get away with the similarities by being parodies of the CYOA series.
There's also gamebook erotica, so definitely more "adult" than the CYOA series.
This is also not Netflix's first interactive episode. They've done interactive episodes of Puss in Boots, Buddy Thunderstruck, and Stretch Armstrong before Bandersnatch
https://www.indiewire.com/2018/05/ne...ut-1201959464/
I think Bandersnatch rose the level of prominence of the episodes Netflix was doing though, which maybe prompted this response. The two main points the CYOA team have for their trademark infringement claim are that a character actually says the phrase "choose your own adventure" in the episode, and that Netflix tried to negotiate a license for the CYOA name. I think the idea is that since Netflix tried to license the name, they new they could be potentially infringing on the trademark. However, CYOA is just a trademark, not a copyright or patent over the genre, so Netflix isn't infringing just by making interactive content. Also, while the phrase is used in Bandersnatch, I don't think it credibly confuses the reasonable consumer into thinking it's officially connected to the CYOA book series.
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Finally got around to watching Bandersnatch. I enjoyed the hell out of it, both the story and the concept of it. It was really fun, making the choices and how meta they were. I am really impressed at how seamless it was on Netflix. I appreciate that they are willing to take chances like this on things. Can't wait for the season.
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Spoiler:
Thanks for this. I got the PACS ending. Which does not sound as cool as some of the others. I thought it was pretty well done overall. Some choices it appeared you had to take to move the narrative.
Last edited by d2cheer; 01-16-19 at 10:18 AM.
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