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Old 11-19-13, 04:14 PM
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Re: The Walking Dead -- "Live Bait" -- 11/17/13

Didn't Rick Murder shane as well?
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Re: The Walking Dead -- "Live Bait" -- 11/17/13

Self-defence/Stand Your Ground
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Re: The Walking Dead -- "Live Bait" -- 11/17/13

Originally Posted by superdeluxe
Didn't Rick Murder shane as well?
Nope. More like, killed him in self defense.

Shane was trying to murder him.
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Re: The Walking Dead -- "Live Bait" -- 11/17/13

Originally Posted by Coral
I don't remember Merle raping anyone or any reference to him raping someone in the past. Am I forgetting something?
Sorry, I was confusing him beating Glenn with the Governor molesting Maggie.

I stand by my assessment that Merle was a bad guy
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Re: The Walking Dead -- "Live Bait" -- 11/17/13

Merle was piece of shit. But these days Bad Guys are the Good Guys/Fan Favorites on these shows. People simply dismiss the horrific shit they do because they like them.
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Re: The Walking Dead -- "Live Bait" -- 11/17/13

Originally Posted by Giantrobo
Nope. More like, killed him in self defense.

Shane was trying to murder him.
We remember that differently because I remember shame looking like he was going to give into rick's pleas, and then rick stabs him.
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Re: The Walking Dead -- "Live Bait" -- 11/17/13

I didn't like this episode mostly because the Governor should have been written out of the show at the end of last season. He's so far gone, I don't get why the writers seem to feel he needs to be "redeemed." All the nice things he did in this episode don't matter. He's a borderline sociopath. There is no redeeming the Governor. Just get rid of him and move on with the main group.

Yes the prison is played and they need to move on from it, but this (and next episode) aren't solving that. I just don't care about the Governor.
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Re: The Walking Dead -- "Live Bait" -- 11/17/13

Originally Posted by Giantrobo
Merle was piece of shit. But these days Bad Guys are the Good Guys/Fan Favorites on these shows. People simply dismiss the horrific shit they do because they like them.
If T-Dogg didn't lose the fucking key, maybe Merle wouldn't have been.
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Re: The Walking Dead -- "Live Bait" -- 11/17/13

Originally Posted by VinVega
There is no redeeming the Governor. Just get rid of him and move on with the main group.
Why? The main group is BORING.

This was my favorite episode of perhaps the entire series. Very surprising. I love character pieces, and since I'm not still in puberty, don't mind "slowness" at all. This episode made me realize just how amazing a show this would be if it were a different person's story every few episodes. Showing the zombie apocalypse from many people's viewpoints, not just Mopemaster Rick and his gang of Mopers.


Also, the food was called "Roni Sticks" and "'Sketti Rings".

Did anyone else catch the little bit of humor in the graffiti:


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Re: The Walking Dead -- "Live Bait" -- 11/17/13

That Brian guy seems like a really decent fellow. I hope he doesn't run into any of the true hardcases out there, like what's his name from last season.
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Re: The Walking Dead -- "Live Bait" -- 11/17/13

Originally Posted by VinVega
I didn't like this episode mostly because the Governor should have been written out of the show at the end of last season. He's so far gone, I don't get why the writers seem to feel he needs to be "redeemed." All the nice things he did in this episode don't matter. He's a borderline sociopath. There is no redeeming the Governor. Just get rid of him and move on with the main group.

Yes the prison is played and they need to move on from it, but this (and next episode) aren't solving that. I just don't care about the Governor.
Agreed.
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Re: The Walking Dead -- "Live Bait" -- 11/17/13

Originally Posted by Giantrobo
Merle was piece of shit. But these days Bad Guys are the Good Guys/Fan Favorites on these shows. People simply dismiss the horrific shit they do because they like them.
Merle was damaged goods. He was fascinating to observe how he came to acknowledge just what he was and how much stronger his baby brother really was compared to him. That's what made Merle's attempted turn (he really couldn't transition all the way) so captivating and heartbreaking. It's because you knew despite what a piece of shit he was, Daryl loved him and Merle knew he didn't deserve that.
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Re: The Walking Dead -- "Live Bait" -- 11/17/13

Originally Posted by andicus
I don't think people are pissed off because they're showing him being human. They're pissed off because it seems like they're trying to show some sort of redemption of his character, and his past actions are just far too inexcusable for that.
I'm not saying Revolution is a great show, or anything, but one criticism I don't generally hear is "Miles Matheson killed thousands of people!!!"

Even Monroe is all broken-up about millions dying when he killed just as many indirectly is kind of laughable.
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Re: The Walking Dead -- "Live Bait" -- 11/17/13

Shit, his past actions were pure bad writing. I'm not a cheer leader for the character, but man, did they do some good writing this last episode.
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Re: The Walking Dead -- "Live Bait" -- 11/17/13

I think this was a good episode. It's pretty clear that the Governor was a family man before, but he got crazy with the dead zombies and awfully ruthless/power hungry. It'll be interesting to see if his failures have taught him any lessons, or if he'll fail the same way again this time around.
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Re: The Walking Dead -- "Live Bait" -- 11/17/13

Originally Posted by GreenMonkey
I think this was a good episode. It's pretty clear that the Governor was a family man before, but he got crazy with the dead zombies and awfully ruthless/power hungry. It'll be interesting to see if his failures have taught him any lessons, or if he'll fail the same way again this time around.
I certainly hope he gets a chance at a good life, especially after mowing down his own people with a machine gun.
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Re: The Walking Dead -- "Live Bait" -- 11/17/13

Originally Posted by Numanoid
Did anyone else catch the little bit of humor in the graffiti:

No. What am I supposed to get?
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Re: The Walking Dead -- "Live Bait" -- 11/17/13

Originally Posted by mnementh
What's the title of the episode all about?
I assume it refers to the Gov prior to his reincarnation as Brian. He was wandering around aimlessly and didn't have a care in the world even if a zombie was nipping at his feet.
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Re: The Walking Dead -- "Live Bait" -- 11/17/13

Wow, I'm surprised at the negative reaction here. I thought this was easily the best episode of this season up to this point. (I mean aside from a few great action scenes here and there, I don't think there have been any better overall episodes so far this season.)

This episode was like a standalone mini-movie with a character we already knew a lot of backstory about, but it developed him and made him into a much more complex and interesting character than he ever was before.
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Re: The Walking Dead -- "Live Bait" -- 11/17/13

Originally Posted by RocShemp
No. What am I supposed to get?
Someone hates Mollica and doesn't want him or her to come home.
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Re: The Walking Dead -- "Live Bait" -- 11/17/13

Originally Posted by mnementh
What's the title of the episode all about?
Originally Posted by Michael Corvin
I assume it refers to the Gov prior to his reincarnation as Brian. He was wandering around aimlessly and didn't have a care in the world even if a zombie was nipping at his feet.
or maybe it's about someone who feeds zombies outside the fence rats
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Re: The Walking Dead -- "Live Bait" -- 11/17/13

Originally Posted by starseed1981
Best episode of the new season by far imho.
Agreed...!
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Re: The Walking Dead -- "Live Bait" -- 11/17/13

Originally Posted by Giantrobo
Merle was piece of shit. But these days Bad Guys are the Good Guys/Fan Favorites on these shows. People simply dismiss the horrific shit they do because they like them.
HARD MEN MAKING HARD CHOICES! Horrible, counterproductive, selfish choices.

This was a really good episode. Same it was about such an irredeemable character that I can't make myself care about.
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Re: The Walking Dead -- "Live Bait" -- 11/17/13

Originally Posted by Jackskeleton
Shit, his past actions were pure bad writing. I'm not a cheer leader for the character, but man, did they do some good writing this last episode.
Yeah, I really liked this episode actually, but its quality was diminished because the Governor character was already ruined last season. They pretty much just created a new character with him.

I was impressed with the ep overall though. Which surprised me because the montage of him just walking around in the beginning to that awful indie music was really, really bad. I loved the one shot when the camera pans around his body as he slowly turned his head. So corny.


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