magiccmom

The way Amanda is torturing Elissa right now makes me want to blow a gasket. Someone, somehow, someway has got to make this bitch accountable.

Evan Meadow

The hell that happened in the house today. I hate Amanda with such a burning passion now.

Basically, Elissa is going to put Andy up when McCrae goes down. Amanda doesn't want that, she wants GM up there. She doesn't want to have to send any of her alliance home.

So she decided to just make Elissa's life a living hell with kazoos, insults, threats, and whatever else she could find. Elissa has locked herself in the HOH room and won't come out at all unless absolutely necessary. She has said if she comes down voluntarily it would be to self evict which is what Amanda really wants.

leeta

I hope Elissa stays strong and doesn't give in. At this point, she's about the only hope for getting Amanda's alliance out of the house. If she self-evicts, they'll probably give everyone else a pass this week.

I am actually feeling sorry for Aaryn at this point. How can you drink nail polish remover by accident?? I wonder if she could be trying to hurt herself because of the stress. What she's experiencing now will be nothing like what she's in for when she gets out of the house.

VHS?

Amanda is trying to pull an Evel Dick. Actions like that worked for him but she shouldnt expect it to work for her.
Aaryn drinking the nail polish was a simple mistake. Last week I grabbed a beer BOTTLE and took a swig when I was clearly drinking a soda out of a can. I dont even drink alcohol. Brain farts are real.

dolphinboy

I never liked ED. I even followed him for a while on Twitter and was repulsed by the guy. His short and inarticulate open letter about the conspiracy theory that Amanda has the game rigged for her was just ridiculously full of holes that even GinaMarie could have seen through. The main point, that it couldn't be rigged I agreed with, but how he got there showed the intellect of a 3rd grader at best.

That said, Amanda seems like she's worse. Maybe production is feeding something to her, but she really thinks she's getting an ED, kind of funny, kind of rude and crude, but also kind of lovable edit. And she has no idea of what she's saying or she'd definitely have eased it back a notch on the live feeds where so much for evil and filth comes out of her ugly mouth. Evel Dick might have had the worst thoughts in his head, but I don't recall him being half as vulgar in the personal attacks he made against people. He could also take a punch if you landed one and he'd calm down eventually and even shake your hand if you extended it. Amanda is crazy and/or she really does think she's better than the people she attacks and that she's deserving of everything. ED was terrible and annoying, but he did his fair share of earning his place in that house.

There's a reason he left there with a pretty decent fan base and Amanda will leave there as the single most hated person on BB ever...during a season where Aaryn and GM showed themselves to be racist (although I'm not even sure GM really even understands what that means, but any benefit of the doubt is lost by her desire to get into fist fights and her parting comment to Candice) and Spencer talked about openly joked about masturbating to child porn and was a bit racist himself. Amanda has that beaten and it's a damned shame BB will do everything possible to stack the finale audience with people who will only cheer.

Julie will definitely address this stuff during the finale, she spoke about it personally upsetting her, she'd look like a fool and coward for not bringing it up, but we really won't get to see the fallout we might get if the audience could boom and yell. I know it might get out of hand, but they still shouldn't stack the audience and warn them to act a certain way either. Amanda and her side thinks America's Favorite Player is going to be one of them and they have the lowest combined scores I've ever seen on Jokers and the non-feeders pretty much hate the same people too. The edit hasn't shown enough of how bad these people are (Andy losing his job too would be fine with me), but it's been just so awful that you can't miss it.

Did anyone really like Elissa but me to start the season? I didn't love her or think I'd be wanting her to win, but I remember saying I actually thought she was a much more tolerable and decent version of her sister. And she was winning MVP solely because of her sister and Brenden. But she really has turned out to be the only person to root for. McCrae took a nose dive, Andy is horrible and you've really only got Judd and I'm still not sure what to make of him. If he's using Elissa to align with Andy and Spencer, then he's truly a bad judge of character. I'll give him major props for keeping his mouth shut when the other people are saying things that make ED cringe. But, so far, that's it. I know a guy like Jeff gets bashed, a lot because, I think, he got too popular and there's always fallout from that and he said a few truly inappropriate things himself, but he's clearly a good guy, not overly smart and learns a life lesson and apologizes. He's a good guy. We could have used one Jeff this season to stand up to this level or garbage. Target or no target, I would have forged an alliance last night with Elissa, GM and led on Andy and Spencer. Aaryn will likely be gone and Andy is a free agent and he's not dumb enough to not see Amanda or McCrae need to go next.

But if they just go after an "easy" target next week like Elissa, it will be lame. Grow some testes and tell Amanda off and show yourself as the "good" in the house leading the "charge" against the "bad." Certainly last night Judd could have pulled that off because what was being said was just disgusting and cruel. I think McCrae might just have lost his mind from following Amanda for so long and I think Spencer will do or say anything to fit in with the people he thinks controls the house. He'd be a very different guy if he thought Judd, Elissa, GM and Andy were together with him being promised the same kinds of nonsense he's getting from the McCranda led side now. I mean, if Andy happens to win HOH and his main target is the only person in the house with no true ally, he simply forfeits his right to win the money in my opinion. If he won, CBS should cancel the check, because it would likely be the next HOH who made a big move. I just can't believe how many people this season have no idea how they're being perceived.

Lydia and Natalie knew they weren't going to have the same kind of fans as Jeff and Jordan, I'm just not sure how calling Elissa a C^nt and worse or being in on personal attacks on her family doesn't make Andy think he finally isn't just playing along with the dark side, but he has become one of them. I like Aaryn more than Andy. I think she's a spoiled and snotty girl and I think the sh*t storm that hits her after this show concludes will actually make her into a better person. I think she'll feel terrible and grow up when this eventually blows over...although she'll be in that storm for a long time. It really doesn't take a whole lot of viewers hating you to entirely change your life. I expected that nasty nurse who won to have no problem after a few months of just going about her normal life, but she practically had to go into the witness protection program for a while. Natalie seems to just embrace the hate as attention that's better than none and ED has turned his character in a semi-celebrity. I still have no idea how much of it is an act or not. Amanda is going to have only the option of the nurse. Her family must be mortified. She's done an almost unbelievable job of making Aaryn and GM side stories at this point.

Ugh. I have to vent here because there's nowhere else to do it. Jokers chat is creep city these days and I'm not going to tweet or FB any insult to these jackasses. I just want to see them go down. I want to be surprised and have the finale be a genuine roast of these pigs. Everyone says bad stuff in the BB house. Jordan even did it and if you don't like Jordan, you hate puppies and butterflies. Everyone talks crap. There have been earlier seasons where people went way too far. But it always seemed to calm down. The season I've always disliked the most was the "porn" season and this was has surpassed that one by far. I've gotten very little pleasure in watching this season and I don't think I've smiled until Elissa a) won HOH and b) laughed in Amanda's face. The comment about how could Aaryn live with just being Aaryn was a good one too. Oh, and actually busting Andy in a lie, which is kind of rare when you see someone totally caught without anywhere to hide and anyway of trying to deflect the lie. Helen getting busted by Jessie was a close second, but Andy was smoked.

So, who can you really root for if not Elissa? Even if you like Judd a bit more than me, to root for Judd, as things appear, is to root for Spencer and Andy too. I just can't bring myself to do that. With this house, I don't think Elissa can get more than 3 jury votes, so Judd could take the high road AND still win. I'd rather him take the high road and lose, but those two in the F2 is the only good option for me. Elissa might beat GM, but to see Elissa win and GM rewarded at all wouldn't be good either. So, Judd for $500,000 and Elissa 50k and probably another 25k and the majority of the fans, many won over having little to do with the Brenchel Army.

No one is going to want to follow my diatribe with a post. Sorry everyone.

Carry on.

VHS?

Elissa is no saint. She was going to throw it all away because she wasn't winning. She was going to exit the game on Helen for pity reasons. If it ant going Elissa's way, she whines about it and wants to quit every time. Forget self evict. BB should tell her to get the fuck out.
Elissa feels everyone is below her. She's the person who thinks you're raping her if you stand too close.
As of now she has locked herself in the HOH rather than playing the game. She wants to call it quite's once her reign of HOH is finished.
When she was getting MVP she was all spunky and happy. She now takes everything personal and has zero social game.
I'm not making excuses for Amanda. If she goes so be it. It will make the game interesting and no more Queen Bee calling all the shots with every HOH despite it not being her. Maybe McCrae will start playing then.

dolphinboy

Elissa is no saint? That's the best that you can do? Who expects BB to fill the house with saints? Aaryn and Amanda didn't need to be saints either. The point made about Elissa is that she actually does appear saintly compared to the people in the cast. Jessie got screwed over by Helen, who seemed to have much more game than Elissa, and she also believed McCrae wanted to dump Amanda to be in alliance with her and Andy. So, with all Helen's fire to win, it amounted to about the dumbest decision in the game so far. Strong players can be stupid too.

Also, this isn't the first time someone has been cast that didn't really want to be there. The second time Jordan played, she had almost no interest at all in what happened. That's due more to stunt casting than the person. They wanted Rachel's sister so badly, they made her an offer she probably wanted to refuse but really couldn't. I said from the beginning that she had very little game like her sister, just that she seemed like a better person. But she's still Rachel's sister, so some ;level of crazy and weird is in her blood. But if everyone this season was only "as crazy" as Elissa in their own way, we'd have plenty of entertainment and a lot less hate and cruelty. Again, my point is that she's the best of what's left and there's no question that she picked things up lately.

She's hardly the first person to hide themselves away when things were going badly. Amanda was fricking freaking out and crying just because 1 thing didn't go her way. Elissa has had a rough time all season. I won't deny that she should have had more social game early on, but I still maintain that she probably didn't want to be there and Grodner shouldn't have cast her in the first place. It's not Elissa's fault that she got MVP because of her sister. Unless the game is truly rigged, she had no idea she'd be given that stupid twist. Or maybe they came up with the twist knowing it would protect her for a while and they thought she'd be more interesting in the game. At first, she really wasn't. A mother who's not even a big fan of the show, who doesn't have the same personality to compete and win this game as her infamous sister and who's married and has a good life outside of the house is not the best bit of casting. I know a lot of people who would have felt above people who were bickering, screaming, threatening, using racist slurs and more. Jessie was kind of boring because, deep down, you could tell she never could fit into that group because she didn't like how they were acting. It really was that bad.

As far as quitting on Helen or quitting the game, those are weak moments and they happen to almost everyone in the house. So far she didn't actually quit on anyone or quit the game. If her default reaction to being overwhelmed is to say she'll quit, I'd take that over anything Amanda, Andy, Aaryn, GM and even McCrae lately do when they feel threatened. The difference is that none of them (other than Aaryn who is being sacrificed by McCranda) are or have been in serious danger or been harassed like Elissa has, like Candice was and even Jessie was. Hell, if I was alone in there this long with crazy ass Amanda doing the things she was doing, I'd lock myself away too. She's hardly the first HOH to lock themselves away and she's come out plenty since last night.

Elissa a saint? No, no one thinks she is. Elissa a quitter? I haven't seen it yet. More like a defensive mechanism when she's feeling overwhelmed by the game. It's happened to far better players than Elissa. Now if you want to talk about firsts, let's talk more about Amanda and Aaryn. Elissa doesn't have the fire in her belly to win that Aaryn has, but that was never the point. Candice seemed like a nice person, but she also never really played the game and she totally didn't want to go back into the house. Whether it was because she was just sick of the abuse or whether she didn't have a real desire to fight hard, only she knows. But we also usually see a few people each season who are like that, and Elissa, while no saint and without the fire of her sister to win, has certainly turned things up lately and she's really the only person to stand up to Amanda and she's the first person to break up the 3 am alliance. If Spencer had won HOH, they would have ordered him to target Elissa and he would have. GM wins HOH and she targets Elissa for Aaryn who would have been taking orders from Amanda. Andy would have gone for Elissa too. Now that's weak.

Sounds like a pretty good resume for an average overall player.

saoirse

Here's something bizarre I read from last night: "McCrae is talking to Spencer about Jessie (his girl back home) and says he could really see himself getting back together with her. He says he wants to take a month alone at home to think about it. He hates not knowing what's going to happen with Jessie or Amanda." So he has a girlfriend (maybe ex) at home?

dolphinboy

Again, I know it's television but you can't completely act like who you're not and I'm really surprised McCrae would even want a future with Amanda. I really hope that he just has brain freeze from being around her and being in that house and really pays attention to what she's like when he spends that time without her. Jessie has to be a better choice and I know nothing about her.

Really good to see Aaryn giving the right advice to GM right now. I do see enough good in her that I think she will learn from the fallout of this experience. She's basically showing some genuine loyalty to GM...at least it appears that way. Sure, part of it is revenge, but that's always part of BB and she could easily want stupid revenge instead and direct GM to try and get Elissa out. She basically told GM, if she wins HOH, to nominate Amanda and McCrae with Andy as the replacement.

So, most likely we have 2 people who would nominate Amanda and McCrae. Judd and GM. I hope Andy and Spencer have the stones to do it, but with Elissa being such an easy target, I wonder if they'd wimp out, make the easy move and let the next HOH do it. The Zingbot called Andy a floater for a reason.

I watched an entire show with Rachel and Brenden about BB so far and it was entertaining as hell. They obviously don't like Amanda either, but I also was surprised at how honest even Rachel was about saying she really didn't think Elissa had much of a chance to get 5 jury votes if she made it that far. They both agreed just having her finish 2nd to Judd would still be a great outcome and I concur.

saoirse

Well put. And glad to hear the update on GM perhaps putting up the smelly douches.

dolphinboy

I can't believe how good of an edit they gave Amanda. TV Amanda was not the real Amanda. The only positives were that Elissa got a good edit too, Judd definitely seems to be against Amanda and McCrae and with no desire at all to possibly go back and work with them and Andy seems totally done with them after this week too.

But they basically set that edit up to make Amanda look like the hero who foiled the evil plan against her. The made it seem like her bad behavior was only a plan hatched to help Andy. It might have been conceived for that, but it went way past just being part of an act and they showed almost nothing of the worst of the worst she said, even the stuff that could be allowed on tv was cut out. They let McCrae of the hook too, other than him smiling when Amanda was harassing Elissa.

When Judd does his DR calling Amanda vile and disgusting, if you knew nothing other than what you were watching from tv only, you'd probably think he was taking it too far. But his comments were based mostly on things the viewers didn't see. Honestly the only thing that came through that I can think of to even hint at how horrible Amanda was, was when she told Elissa she was trash and to sit down at the very end.

They really glossed over so much more that deserved time and they better show some of it tomorrow. It's one thing to manipulate the edit to create more entertainment. I don't like being manipulated, but they've been doing that forever, so you kind of get used to it. But that edit really seemed like an edit with the agenda of protecting Amanda's image to the people who only watch the tv show.

They actually are making her much more of an ED character than she deserves credit for being. I hated his game a lot too, but he ALWAYS went into the DR and joked about what he was doing to make it clear that was his strategy to win and not really something that was genuinely personal. Also, he never held himself up as the nice guy, the way
Amanda always makes it seems like she's better than everyone else. ED wasn't fun to watch for me, but he wasn't a hypocrite and I also don't remember him being so vulgar in regards to personal attacks. Which you didn't even get a whiff of from what Amanda has really said and done with this edit.

Because I know more than the tv viewers, but far less than the feeders, I still can't figure out why Aaryn couldn't finally cut Amanda and McCrae loose and work honestly with GM, Judd and Elissa. She's still had her own moments of hate since the earlier part of the game and she's still clearly stuck up and entitled, but I kind of feel badly that she's leaving instead of Andy. If Andy left, I would feel better about Judd sincerely wanted to work with Elissa and if Aaryn could have made a real flip and not done whatever she did to obviously not sell that she could be trusted, Aaryn, Judd, GM and Elissa (with Spencer staying in his hangers on spot) would have been a force to be reckoned with.

I have the worst feeling in my gut that Amanda or McCrae will win HOH, but I'd like to see GM or Judd win it. I don't think I could really like GM in real life and I can't excuse the bad things she's done either, but I find myself liking her more and more right now in this house. She totally owned that POV if not for that one drop. One drop from sending Amanda home. I hate it, but something like that just can't be rigged. If you believe in conspiracies, the worst you could say is that they tilt the game in favor of someone. But you can't rig the entire game. Amanda had a good strategy to win that POV in going a little bit slower and more steady, she deserves credit for that, but she got lucky that GM slipped up once.

Judd needs to stop smoking right now. His lungs and overall conditioning is really bad and he's a heart attack waiting to happen if he keeps going like he does.

AaronHernandez

Most people liked ED and hate Amanda even though they are quite similiar .The tv edit never showed him threatening to rape female housemembers and all his dispicable tactics got a cute rock theme and were played off as comedic and "strategic. Both of them are disgraceful human beings and drug addicts. The only saving grace is knowing she will lose in the f2 should she get there cause she doesn't have a whiny entitled comp whore daughter(the closest alternative Aaryn is 99% leaving Thur) who annoys everyone that she can take to the end. Nor is their an America's player who contractually has to use their jury vote for her.

Josh-da-man

Maybe there really is something to the conspiracy theory making the rounds that production is backing Amanda for the win.

I really don't know what anyone in the house could do about Amanda short of punching the bitch in the face. I suppose that Judd, GM, and Spencer could all go into the DR together and tell them if they don't do something to sanction Amanda that they'll refuse to vote on the live show. Or everyone else in the house (sans McCrae, who's possibly the biggest fucking pussy I've ever seen) could all just take off their microphones and refuse to play ball until they do something.

It's bad enough to have her bullying Elissa like that, but even if you're not the target of that abuse, it's still fucking awful to be around someone like that.

saoirse

Here's a little bit of class from last night: "11:20PM BBT: Amanda and Aaryn have decided that they're going to bleach their buttholes tonight. Aaryn is putting the concoction together in the kitchen at this time. Idle chit chat in the chair room.

GinaMarie wants no part of this and she goes upstairs to hang out with Elissa."

magiccmom

Maybe Aaryn will take a swig of the bleach bottle like she did the nail polish remover! Better yet, maybe Amanda will do that.

DWilson

Some of those fun things people say because they don't know what their "edit" is...


1:27 PM Aaryn wonders how they will react when she goes to the jury house. Aaryn thinks she will do the Early show before going to jury. NT

...........
1:15 PM Amanda says that Julie asks things that are embarrassing & Amanda says she hasn't done anything that was embarrassing, well maybe bleaching her butthole, but she says she doesn't find that embarrassing either so she has no problems. Amanda thinks she should win America's favorite player. Aaryn says maybe America's favorite @sshole.
1:15 PM Amanda: Do you think that people really hate me?
Andy: I think you are really polarizing.
Amanda: What does that mean?
Andy: they either really like you or really dislike you.
Aaryn: I think I will be polar opposites too. There will be people who really despise me and those who will really, really like me .

VHS?

What's so wrong about it? Who wants to eat a dirty butthole ... gross

CrashNBurn69

doesnt bleaching your butthole just lighten the skin? you still have to wash your ass lol

VHS?

It's the illusion

Josh-da-man

Nothing wrong with a browneye.

dolphinboy

I'm absolutely terrified that Amanda or McCrae will win HOH tonight.

VHS?

Or that maybe BB will create a last minute 'twist' to bring another player back or keep Elissa as HOH
BB likes to make shit up as they go to control the game. Everyone should know that by now.
As it stands, they kept Aaryn despite her actions because it was ratings Gold. Now they see all the buzz about Amanda and will keep her as long as they have the power to do so.

Amanda or McCrae winning HOH is a high probability.

dolphinboy

I felt bad for Aaryn. That was not easy to watch. She probably deserved it, but going through learning such a big lesson about your mistakes on national television is tough for anyone. I actually thought Julie would wait to address the issue until the finale, or at least in as much depth as she did just now.

I think Aaryn will learn more from this experience and her mistakes than GM or Amanda.

She'd better be REALLY nice to Helen and Candice in the jury house.

dolphinboy

I think it will be either Andy, McCrae or GM based on this game.

Timber

Yeah, that was not easy to watch at all. Part of me feels like she's just a dumb kid that doesn't know what she's saying and this will teach her a lesson. The laughter when she said her and Candice were great friends was kind of cringe inducing.