Twin Peaks Returns As Showtime Limited Series From David Lynch & Mark Frost
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I'm a little confused by these reports. Is the issue that Showtime doesn't want to give Lynch a big enough paycheck or that they don't want to give Lynch a big enough budget to do the show the way he wants?
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The way Lynch describes it, it sounds like budget.
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I know a few sane people have mentioned this already but I really, REALLY cannot believe people are ok with Twin Peaks without Lynch (even if as long as "Frost" is there).
Regardless of what episodes he directed or wrote, his finger prints are all over the highlights of the series (all of Season 1, Season 2 up to Laura's killer is unveiled and then of course, the finale). You can see the dip in quality when Lynch backed off to focus on "Wild at Heart" (which is well documented). If people think Twin Peaks would have been the same without Lynch (even if he was involved on the writing side of things) are a bit a delusional.
Regardless of what episodes he directed or wrote, his finger prints are all over the highlights of the series (all of Season 1, Season 2 up to Laura's killer is unveiled and then of course, the finale). You can see the dip in quality when Lynch backed off to focus on "Wild at Heart" (which is well documented). If people think Twin Peaks would have been the same without Lynch (even if he was involved on the writing side of things) are a bit a delusional.
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Jesus that is a big stretch isn't it? Inland Empire is lower tier Lynch for sure, but it does not sit out of place with this rest of his films. If you are a Lynch fan (and it sounds like you are not), comparing Inland Empire to Fantastic Four is lunacy.
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It's a big misconception that Lynch was not heavily involved in season 2 due to Wild at Heart. I'm pretty sure WAH was completed before season 2 of TP was commissioned by ABC.
Can you imagine scenes in the red room not directed by Lynch? I'm pretty sure he directed all of those in the original series.
Can you imagine scenes in the red room not directed by Lynch? I'm pretty sure he directed all of those in the original series.
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It was just a joke. Although one hasd to wonder exactly what Lynch can bring to the table these days given the "lower tier" results of Island Empire. But that said, I do think it's pointless to move forward if Lynch is not fully on board.
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Yup. The vision is really in the scripts and the David Lynch you guys are nostalgic for doesn't exist anymore. He hasn't for over 20 years. I have no doubt that with the armada of talented producers Showtime has access to that they won't do a phenomenal job. I'm not saying that I prefer that Lynch isn't involved because that's not the case. Just that with his input already in the scripts another person at the helm doesn't scare me or make me want to see this project cancelled.
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Can you imagine scenes in the red room not directed by Lynch? I'm pretty sure he directed all of those in the original series.
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On his radio show today, Dalton Ross was basically saying that Lynch hasn't really done much TV or film directing lately so that he should really take whatever offer Showtime gives him. Dalton thought that Lynch hadn't even directed any movies after the year 2000. After having his producer doing some research, he went on about how Lynch hasn't directed anything except music videos and short films in the past 8 years. He was pretty much saying that Lynch isn't relevant anymore. Ugh....
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On his radio show today, Dalton Ross was basically saying that Lynch hasn't really done much TV or film directing lately so that he should really take whatever offer Showtime gives him. Dalton thought that Lynch hadn't even directed any movies after the year 2000. After having his producer doing some research, he went on about how Lynch hasn't directed anything except music videos and short films in the past 8 years. He was pretty much saying that Lynch isn't relevant anymore. Ugh....
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That being said, I do hope this gets hammered out and Lynch doesn't get driven off the project. Even though I haven't cared much for his post-Twin Peaks output, I'm still interested in seeing what he can bring to the table with this. Even if it turns out he doesn't direct, I still want him involved in this.
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If anyone cares to check it out, Lynch's music is quite good.
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I keep going back and forth on how I feel about all of this.
On one hand, I want Lynch to oversee the entire thing because Twin Peaks is what it is because of him. There's no question about that. If Twin Peaks is going to be revived after this long, he needs to be around to make sure it's the most Twin Peaksy it can be.
On the other hand, aside from some of the music he's done, and his guest appearance on Louie, I can't think of any of his work I've truly loved since Mulholland Dr., and I was/am a big fan of his films (except Inland Empire).
In other words, he needs to be involved in Twin Peaks if it resurfaces as promised. But maybe this whole thing would have been better off if left in the black lodge for eternity.
On one hand, I want Lynch to oversee the entire thing because Twin Peaks is what it is because of him. There's no question about that. If Twin Peaks is going to be revived after this long, he needs to be around to make sure it's the most Twin Peaksy it can be.
On the other hand, aside from some of the music he's done, and his guest appearance on Louie, I can't think of any of his work I've truly loved since Mulholland Dr., and I was/am a big fan of his films (except Inland Empire).
In other words, he needs to be involved in Twin Peaks if it resurfaces as promised. But maybe this whole thing would have been better off if left in the black lodge for eternity.
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Honestly, if they had to do it without Lynch there are still enough of the original TP directors that are still actively directing TV. Namely Lesli Linka Glatter, Tim Hunter and Todd Holland. Glatter does a lot of work on Showtime shows so she would be an obvious choice. If anything Lynch should at least direct the first and the last episodes. It sounds like a lot of the actors aren't going to be happy without Lynch though. I'm not sure how many have already signed contracts. Hopefully they can still fix things and get him back on the project.
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It's a big misconception that Lynch was not heavily involved in season 2 due to Wild at Heart. I'm pretty sure WAH was completed before season 2 of TP was commissioned by ABC.
Can you imagine scenes in the red room not directed by Lynch? I'm pretty sure he directed all of those in the original series.
Can you imagine scenes in the red room not directed by Lynch? I'm pretty sure he directed all of those in the original series.
It's like when everyone points to Gene Roddenberry for Star Trek - the real brains behind the original series were Gene Coon and Robert Justman, not Roddenberry - yet Roddenberry gets all the credit because it was his original creation.
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I note that Kyle is absent from the above video...probably because he's got a contract already and doesn't want to do anything to stop him from getting his money (he's most likely got a pay or play guarantee).
Does it seem odd to anyone else that Mark Frost has been mum about this as well? That's a pretty good sign that if David isn't coming back, Frost is full-steam ahead.
I honestly think all the complaining about Lynch is HURTING the show's chances of returning. I think Showtime was willing to go ahead without Lynch, but all the backlash will make them more likely just to scrap it. And don't think it's going to Netflix or HBO...Showtime OWNS the scripts that Lynch/Frost wrote at this point (they paid to have them written), and it's unlikely they'd just allow someone else to use them.
Does it seem odd to anyone else that Mark Frost has been mum about this as well? That's a pretty good sign that if David isn't coming back, Frost is full-steam ahead.
I honestly think all the complaining about Lynch is HURTING the show's chances of returning. I think Showtime was willing to go ahead without Lynch, but all the backlash will make them more likely just to scrap it. And don't think it's going to Netflix or HBO...Showtime OWNS the scripts that Lynch/Frost wrote at this point (they paid to have them written), and it's unlikely they'd just allow someone else to use them.
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Unless that "someone" brings along a fat bag of cash.
I'm hopeful Sho can work out a deal with Lynch since clearly no one else wants to come back otherwise. I wonder how Kyle is feeling about all of this, being the only person signed.
I'm hopeful Sho can work out a deal with Lynch since clearly no one else wants to come back otherwise. I wonder how Kyle is feeling about all of this, being the only person signed.
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I note that Kyle is absent from the above video...probably because he's got a contract already and doesn't want to do anything to stop him from getting his money (he's most likely got a pay or play guarantee).
Does it seem odd to anyone else that Mark Frost has been mum about this as well? That's a pretty good sign that if David isn't coming back, Frost is full-steam ahead.
I honestly think all the complaining about Lynch is HURTING the show's chances of returning. I think Showtime was willing to go ahead without Lynch, but all the backlash will make them more likely just to scrap it. And don't think it's going to Netflix or HBO...Showtime OWNS the scripts that Lynch/Frost wrote at this point (they paid to have them written), and it's unlikely they'd just allow someone else to use them.
Does it seem odd to anyone else that Mark Frost has been mum about this as well? That's a pretty good sign that if David isn't coming back, Frost is full-steam ahead.
I honestly think all the complaining about Lynch is HURTING the show's chances of returning. I think Showtime was willing to go ahead without Lynch, but all the backlash will make them more likely just to scrap it. And don't think it's going to Netflix or HBO...Showtime OWNS the scripts that Lynch/Frost wrote at this point (they paid to have them written), and it's unlikely they'd just allow someone else to use them.
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Unless no money's been exchanged yet, there's no way this doesn't get made. Lynch might not be directing, but he didn't back in season 1 and 2 anyway. Maybe they can get him to be a consultant of sorts.