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AVP77 08-03-12 11:08 AM

Re: Breaking Bad -- "Hazard Pay" -- 7/29/12
 

Originally Posted by Nausicaa (Post 11333616)
Moving from house to house for cooks under the guise of exterminators is brilliant writing, and I never saw it coming.

It is good writing, in that it's both interesting and a believable scheme within the universe of the show. Probably not very practical though, in real life or even, long term, in the world of Breaking Bad.

I guess the most 'realistic' solution to the problem would be leaving town, or even state? When you've brought down so much heat with both the bombing and the discovery of the super-lab, I'm guessing most pros would move somewhere else. The only reason I can see for not doing it in the story (other than the obvious production reasons of ABQ tax breaks, etc), is that a sudden move could raise suspicions about Walt?

CaptainMarvel 08-03-12 11:17 AM

Re: Breaking Bad -- "Hazard Pay" -- 7/29/12
 

Originally Posted by AVP77 (Post 11333751)
I guess the most 'realistic' solution to the problem would be leaving town, or even state? When you've brought down so much heat with both the bombing and the discovery of the super-lab, I'm guessing most pros would move somewhere else. The only reason I can see for not doing it in the story (other than the obvious production reasons of ABQ tax breaks, etc), is that a sudden move could raise suspicions about Walt?

That, and as soon as you move somewhere else, Walt/Jesse are right back where they started. They've got the market cornered in ABQ, with no real competition or threats. As soon as they move somewhere else, they're going to have to deal with established networks that won't take too kindly to a new face.

Larry C. 08-03-12 11:34 AM

Re: Breaking Bad -- "Hazard Pay" -- 7/29/12
 

Originally Posted by Nausicaa (Post 11333616)
I really enjoyed the thrust of this episode, but surprisingly Saul fell a little flat this ep I thought. I don't know why but his lines felt a little more forced and unnatural than in the previous episodes. Felt more like a different actor trying to be Saul than the slimy lawyer we all know and love. Maybe some of those early scenes (like going to the Lazer Base) were too obviously played for levity.

Still a great ep though, and I love how unpredictable and deliciously surprising this show is. For five years now I've never been able to predict to direction of this show or felt the writing was lazy. Moving from house to house for cooks under the guise of exterminators is brilliant writing, and I never saw it coming.

I was also confused by Walt's little comment at the end of the episode. My first reaction was that he was threatening Jessie. Walt seemed pretty pissed when Jesse rolled over and offered Mike his share of the money, effectively shutting down Walt's argument. His comment almost seemed to me like, know your place - you're my assistant.

Seemed weird, but I think you guys are right that he is probably talking about the need to kill some of the guys in jail rather than pay them off. Victor knew too much and was close to being arrested by virtue of getting spotted at Gale's house, so he had to die. This makes more sense to me.

Cranston has just been great this season. I can't tell if Walt is just oblivious to Skylar's obvious repulsion towards him, or if he knows and gets some kind of enjoyment out of it. Now she sees him as strong, cold, and dangerous instead of some weakling always on the verge of death or failure and in need of charity.

It's awesome how they have turned his character on the audience too. You just want to slap Walt for being dissatisfied with netting $170k a week.

This. I really love Walt even now after his descent into the drug world. Buy c'mon dude a couple of years ago your were a HS teacher. :lol:

It just shows you the strength money has over you once you get a taste.

From what I've read most of you are trending to not like Walt much, why? What exact moment did Walt lose you as someone that was on his side?

I've always stuck by Walt and unless he really surprises me with something really bad I'' stay there. Most of what he's done has been out of neccesity, at least that's the way I see it.

Osiris3657 08-03-12 11:37 AM

Re: Breaking Bad -- "Hazard Pay" -- 7/29/12
 
^the entirety of the series has taken place over a 9 month stretch, so it hasn't been a couple years since he taught.

Larry C. 08-03-12 11:50 AM

Re: Breaking Bad -- "Hazard Pay" -- 7/29/12
 

Originally Posted by Osiris3657 (Post 11333782)
^the entirety of the series has taken place over a 9 month stretch, so it hasn't been a couple years since he taught.

Ok good catch I for some reason never caught a good beat on the timeline.

DJariya 08-03-12 12:20 PM

Re: Breaking Bad -- "Hazard Pay" -- 7/29/12
 
Isn't Walt's 51st B-Day coming soon as Marie mentioned? Then we are approaching 1 year in Walt's life since the series premiere.

Walt's 52nd B-Day is in the flash forward, which I'm assuming they will touch more on in the back 8 episodes next year.

dino88 08-03-12 12:24 PM

Re: Breaking Bad -- "Hazard Pay" -- 7/29/12
 

Originally Posted by Larry C. (Post 11333776)
This. I really love Walt even now after his descent into the drug world. Buy c'mon dude a couple of years ago your were a HS teacher. :lol:

It just shows you the strength money has over you once you get a taste.

From what I've read most of you are trending to not like Walt much, why? What exact moment did Walt lose you as someone that was on his side?

I've always stuck by Walt and unless he really surprises me with something really bad I'' stay there. Most of what he's done has been out of neccesity, at least that's the way I see it.

Nothing he has done has been out of necessity. If he had taken the job at Gray Matter, his money issues would have been solved.



Originally Posted by DJariya (Post 11333836)
Isn't Walt's 51st B-Day coming soon as Marie mentioned? Then we are approaching 1 year in Walt's life since the series premiere.

Walt's 52nd B-Day is in the flash forward, which I'm assuming they will touch more on in the back 8 episodes next year.

Yeah, the title for next week's episode is Fifty-One.

wearetheborg 08-03-12 12:39 PM

Re: Breaking Bad -- "Hazard Pay" -- 7/29/12
 
BTW, how did their pile of drugs turn so quickly into a stash of cash?
Would they not have had to sell the drugs first, and only get money after the mules had transported the drugs?

Larry C. 08-03-12 12:41 PM

Re: Breaking Bad -- "Hazard Pay" -- 7/29/12
 

Originally Posted by dino88 (Post 11333842)
Nothing he has done has been out of necessity. If he had taken the job at Gray Matter, his money issues would have been solved.




Yeah, the title for next week's episode is Fifty-One.

It was a neccesity to him cause he was too proud to take what appeared to him as handout job. Also Ias I recall didn't want to talk about the cancer.

andicus 08-03-12 12:51 PM

Re: Breaking Bad -- "Hazard Pay" -- 7/29/12
 

Originally Posted by wearetheborg (Post 11333869)
BTW, how did their pile of drugs turn so quickly into a stash of cash?
Would they not have had to sell the drugs first, and only get money after the mules had transported the drugs?

I think that drove home why Mike is important to Walt and Jessie.

wearetheborg 08-03-12 12:52 PM

Re: Breaking Bad -- "Hazard Pay" -- 7/29/12
 

Originally Posted by Larry C. (Post 11333872)
It was a neccesity to him cause he was too proud to take what appeared to him as handout job.

Yet his pride didnt prevent him from being a druglord.

dino88 08-03-12 01:00 PM

Re: Breaking Bad -- "Hazard Pay" -- 7/29/12
 

Originally Posted by Larry C. (Post 11333872)
It was a neccesity to him cause he was too proud to take what appeared to him as handout job. Also Ias I recall didn't want to talk about the cancer.

But then it's not a necessity. You can't define a necessity based on someone's pride. Food is a necessity. Let's say a starving homeless man is offered a meal, but refuses the handout because he is too proud. He then robs and kills another man for his money, because he needs the money for food. Was that murder necessary for his survival?

Palaver 08-03-12 01:22 PM

Re: Breaking Bad -- "Hazard Pay" -- 7/29/12
 

Originally Posted by Larry C. (Post 11333776)
From what I've read most of you are trending to not like Walt much, why? What exact moment did Walt lose you as someone that was on his side?

For me it was when he poisoned the child. That is the point in his character arc where he has basically become irredeemable. He doesn't even hint at any remorse. He is cold and calculating with human beings playing the roles of either pawns or obstacles in whatever goal he has his sights on.

Larry C. 08-03-12 03:14 PM

Re: Breaking Bad -- "Hazard Pay" -- 7/29/12
 
I can see were necessary was the wrong term to use. Walt to me is the type of guy that never was big on people knowing his problems or needing others. Could he have taken the job? Sure, but he is stuborn and hard headed. Remember even though he is making a drug I think were was a disconnect on the consequences that could arise from that.

Michael Corvin 08-03-12 06:25 PM

Re: Breaking Bad -- "Hazard Pay" -- 7/29/12
 

Originally Posted by Palaver (Post 11333912)
For me it was when he poisoned the child. That is the point in his character arc where he has basically become irredeemable. He doesn't even hint at any remorse. He is cold and calculating with human beings playing the roles of either pawns or obstacles in whatever goal he has his sights on.

That on top of watching Jesse's girl die. Killing other drug dealers/druglords is is one thing, but Jesse's girl and Brock are innocents in this chess game.

Yes she threatened blackmail, but that could have been solved via other means.

Larry C. 08-03-12 07:21 PM

Re: Breaking Bad -- "Hazard Pay" -- 7/29/12
 

Originally Posted by Michael Corvin (Post 11334265)
That on top of watching Jesse's girl die. Killing other drug dealers/druglords is is one thing, but Jesse's girl and Brock are innocents in this chess game.

Yes she threatened blackmail, but that could have been solved via other means.

He didn't kill her, he just let a junkie that could have dragged Jesse with her die.

Michael Corvin 08-03-12 08:39 PM

Re: Breaking Bad -- "Hazard Pay" -- 7/29/12
 
I didn't say he did.

Also when Jane was introduced, she was the clean one and Jesse was the junkie that dragged her to her ultimate fate.

Larry C. 08-03-12 11:45 PM

Re: Breaking Bad -- "Hazard Pay" -- 7/29/12
 

Originally Posted by Michael Corvin (Post 11334400)
I didn't say he did.

Also when Jane was introduced, she was the clean one and Jesse was the junkie that dragged her to her ultimate fate.

I know just pointing it out :D

Pointyskull 08-04-12 08:24 AM

Re: Breaking Bad -- "Hazard Pay" -- 7/29/12
 
Anyone know the tune played during the meth cook montage?

Me007gold 08-04-12 08:33 AM

Re: Breaking Bad -- "Hazard Pay" -- 7/29/12
 

Originally Posted by 12thmonkey (Post 11334682)
Anyone know the tune played during the meth cook montage?

Google is telling me

“On a Clear Day (You Can See Forever)” by The Peddlers

Larry C. 08-04-12 09:04 AM

Re: Breaking Bad -- "Hazard Pay" -- 7/29/12
 
I rewatched episode 1 season 1 for the first time. Wow it was fun. I think I'm gonna rewatch all the episodes now cause I only normally watch episodes only once.

So its been a year timeline so far.

Mike86 08-04-12 05:29 PM

Re: Breaking Bad -- "Hazard Pay" -- 7/29/12
 

Originally Posted by DJariya (Post 11332512)
Finished this last night after being busy most of the week.

rotfl Skylon's meltdown had me LOL. The tension between her and Walt is interesting. Her facial expressions makes it seem like she's genuinely terrified of Walt. Did this all really happen based off her phone conversation with him after she found out Gus was dead? It's not like Walt is a mass murderer like Ted Bundy. He had to take out the guy who was a threat to himself and his family.

Well come on. Walt planted a bomb on an elderly drug boss to take out Gus. While it worked how he intended if he had made a miscalculation or what not he could have caused harm to a bunch of innocents in doing so. That's showing that he's willing to go to whatever extremes are necessary to take care of people who are in his way or who are a danger to him. Plus to me that also is probably getting into her head about just how many other things he's done or people he's killed to protect himself. Not to mention that she has baby Holly and Walt Jr. to look out for and not that Walt would intentionally (at least I wouldn't think) do anything to harm them but I'm sure she would think to herself that having him around them is not in their best interest.

mhg83 08-04-12 11:54 PM

Re: Breaking Bad -- "Hazard Pay" -- 7/29/12
 
Taken from a imdb thread on Walt Jr. having no character development:


please don't give up hope on this well crafted character; I heard a rumor that he will be switching from Bran Flakes to Lucky Charmd and Skylar will have to deal with it-
:lol:

stopgap 08-05-12 03:59 AM

Re: Breaking Bad -- "Hazard Pay" -- 7/29/12
 

Originally Posted by mhg83 (Post 11335233)
Taken from a imdb thread on Walt Jr. having no character development:



:lol:

mean. but funny

ben12 08-06-12 09:34 AM

Re: Breaking Bad -- "Hazard Pay" -- 7/29/12
 
I'm a week behind on this show because I have to wait to watch it the weekend after it airs. It sucks!

Anyway, there's always been the father-son dynamic between Walt and Jesse. Now we seem to have a father-teenage son dynamic between Mike and Walt right down to Mike's "because I said so" explanation for why they have to pay off his guys (even though he had a totally rational explanation -- to keep them from talking to the cops). Really great show.


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