The Walking Dead -- Midseason Finale -- "Pretty Much Dead Already" -- 11/27/11
11-29-11, 04:10 PM
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Re: The Walking Dead -- Midseason Finale -- "Pretty Much Dead Already" -- 11/27/11
Which is really a shame. Imagine how gripping the story would be if both Rick and Shane were equally as calm and had everything together. Even though Shane is losing it, he still make sa lot of valid points. Rick is certainly correct that the group needs to keep a grip on their humanity, but it was pretty obvious that they were just spinning their wheels and not accomplishing anything.
11-29-11, 04:13 PM
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Which is really a shame. Imagine how gripping the story would be if both Rick and Shane were equally as calm and had everything together. Even though Shane is losing it, he still make sa lot of valid points. Rick is certainly correct that the group needs to keep a grip on their humanity, but it was pretty obvious that they were just spinning their wheels and not accomplishing anything.
11-29-11, 04:14 PM
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Re: The Walking Dead -- Midseason Finale -- "Pretty Much Dead Already" -- 11/27/11
If I, living in that world, had a choice between killing you and living or not killing you and both of us dying, I'd probably have made the same choice. Especially if sacrificing myself might have still ended up with both of us dying.
11-29-11, 04:14 PM
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11-29-11, 04:22 PM
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Re: The Walking Dead -- Midseason Finale -- "Pretty Much Dead Already" -- 11/27/11
# of fans on Team T-dog = 0. He has to be the next to go, right? Probably no need for a spoiler, but...
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11-29-11, 04:28 PM
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Re: The Walking Dead -- Midseason Finale -- "Pretty Much Dead Already" -- 11/27/11
Shane is a coward. He lies. He doesn't own up to his actions. He can only be counted on to do the self-serving thing.
Which, I suppose, makes him the archetypical alpha male. (Since everyone is throwing that word around.)
11-29-11, 04:28 PM
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You got it. I was just going with the earlier comments.
11-29-11, 04:50 PM
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Re: The Walking Dead -- Midseason Finale -- "Pretty Much Dead Already" -- 11/27/11
Otis technically would be charged with injuring a human while hunting. If, Carl dies and it was found that Otis was hunting illegally, he'd be charged under the Felony Murder Rule. Right before Shane killed Otis, did they trespass to get to the trailer? Was it breaking and entering to get in? Burglary when they took supplies? Was shooting zombies murder? Heck, it isn't even legal for them to carry those weapons. Murder no longer applies because laws don't really exist anymore.
Going back to Shane's choice while being pursued by a horde of zombies. Both he and Otis were slowing down so the zombies were gaining ground. Both didn't have enough ammo to stop the zombies. They held medical equipment that would save Carl.
Option 1: Shoot Otis so Carl & Shane live. The reason they are there in the first place is because of Otis shooting Carl.
Option 2: Both die running, Carl dies at home. No murder, but everyone dies.
Option 3: Shane sacrifices himself so that Otis might get away and might save Carl. But... Shane is a killing machine and Otis is an older limping 350 pound man. If you were trying to save the life of a kid, who is the best choice at getting the supplies back to save Carl?
Going back to Shane's choice while being pursued by a horde of zombies. Both he and Otis were slowing down so the zombies were gaining ground. Both didn't have enough ammo to stop the zombies. They held medical equipment that would save Carl.
Option 1: Shoot Otis so Carl & Shane live. The reason they are there in the first place is because of Otis shooting Carl.
Option 2: Both die running, Carl dies at home. No murder, but everyone dies.
Option 3: Shane sacrifices himself so that Otis might get away and might save Carl. But... Shane is a killing machine and Otis is an older limping 350 pound man. If you were trying to save the life of a kid, who is the best choice at getting the supplies back to save Carl?
Under either of these two "systems" of law, murder is a no-no.
You're also leaving out several scenarios where Carl dies anyway, regardless of if they get the supplies to the farm or not. Shane perhaps believed that Carl's best chance to survive was for him to get the supplies to the farm, but there were no gaurantees that Carl would survive. Heck Carl could have already been dead by the time he shot Otis for all Shane knew! And if you argue that then Otis getting shot was appropriate since he shot Carl, I would say that Otis accidently shot Carl. He didn't know he was standing behind the deer. Shane purposely shot Otis. Not the same thing. Certainly not old testament law of an eye for an eye.
And let's not kid ourselves. We don't know for 100 percent sure that Shane's motivation for shooting Otis wasn't HIS OWN survival.
11-29-11, 05:12 PM
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11-29-11, 05:48 PM
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Looks like the mid-season finale had 6.6 million viewers.
I finally got into this series. I blazed through season 1 on Netflix streaming and managed to get caught up on season 2. The middle parts of this season were slow in certain areas, and the Sophia search definitely dragged out far too long. But they did a fantastic job closing that storyline. And I agree with many that Shane's tirade at the end was just freaking awesome. Literally using the zombie as a "power point" presentation to Hershel on why they are dangerous.
I like most of the characters on the show. I thought Daryl was going to just be the typical redneck character, but he has grown on me. Glenn is another favorite and it's hard not to like Rick, as he's the de-facto leader who tries to do the right thing.
I finally got into this series. I blazed through season 1 on Netflix streaming and managed to get caught up on season 2. The middle parts of this season were slow in certain areas, and the Sophia search definitely dragged out far too long. But they did a fantastic job closing that storyline. And I agree with many that Shane's tirade at the end was just freaking awesome. Literally using the zombie as a "power point" presentation to Hershel on why they are dangerous.
I like most of the characters on the show. I thought Daryl was going to just be the typical redneck character, but he has grown on me. Glenn is another favorite and it's hard not to like Rick, as he's the de-facto leader who tries to do the right thing.
11-29-11, 06:29 PM
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Re: The Walking Dead -- Midseason Finale -- "Pretty Much Dead Already" -- 11/27/11
I have a problem with your logic. You're using any "fact" available to justify Otis being "sacrificed." But let's just for the moment say that while there may be no "official" law in the form of paid peace officers and a court system, there is certainly still common law where murder has been a no-no for hundreds of years. And of course there is still moral law.
Under either of these two "systems" of law, murder is a no-no.
You're also leaving out several scenarios where Carl dies anyway, regardless of if they get the supplies to the farm or not. Shane perhaps believed that Carl's best chance to survive was for him to get the supplies to the farm, but there were no gaurantees that Carl would survive. Heck Carl could have already been dead by the time he shot Otis for all Shane knew! And if you argue that then Otis getting shot was appropriate since he shot Carl, I would say that Otis accidently shot Carl. He didn't know he was standing behind the deer. Shane purposely shot Otis. Not the same thing. Certainly not old testament law of an eye for an eye.
And let's not kid ourselves. We don't know for 100 percent sure that Shane's motivation for shooting Otis wasn't HIS OWN survival.
Under either of these two "systems" of law, murder is a no-no.
You're also leaving out several scenarios where Carl dies anyway, regardless of if they get the supplies to the farm or not. Shane perhaps believed that Carl's best chance to survive was for him to get the supplies to the farm, but there were no gaurantees that Carl would survive. Heck Carl could have already been dead by the time he shot Otis for all Shane knew! And if you argue that then Otis getting shot was appropriate since he shot Carl, I would say that Otis accidently shot Carl. He didn't know he was standing behind the deer. Shane purposely shot Otis. Not the same thing. Certainly not old testament law of an eye for an eye.
And let's not kid ourselves. We don't know for 100 percent sure that Shane's motivation for shooting Otis wasn't HIS OWN survival.
But, he justified his action because at the end of the day, he is in charge of protecting his group. He clearly understands that Rick is the leader... but he is the protector. He is in charge of security. He watches the group while Rick goes off on missions. He watched over Lori and Carl while Rick was presumed dead. Heck, he even tried to protect Rick in the hospital.
I don't think it is fair to say that Otis had a better shot of escaping if Shane sacrificed himself. Otis was winded and limping from the jump off the bleachers, Otis was not as good a shot as Shane... Besides, if Otis was sprinting to the truck with Zombies on his heels, do we think he'd keep holding onto the bag slowing him down? I'm certain Shane would have a death-grip on that bag. The speech he gave on protecting the group and his actions show it.
11-29-11, 08:20 PM
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11-29-11, 08:50 PM
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Re: The Walking Dead -- Midseason Finale -- "Pretty Much Dead Already" -- 11/27/11
I thought the season and finale was great. There was so much drama and tension that when the reveal came at the end, I had even forgotten about the girl. I would have liked for them to have made it more emotional by showing the mother/wife as a zombie and they're reaction as she was killed.
And why is everyone mentioning Tyreese? Is he gonna start coming out?
And why is everyone mentioning Tyreese? Is he gonna start coming out?
11-29-11, 09:22 PM
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Re: The Walking Dead -- Midseason Finale -- "Pretty Much Dead Already" -- 11/27/11
I thought the season and finale was great. There was so much drama and tension that when the reveal came at the end, I had even forgotten about the girl. I would have liked for them to have made it more emotional by showing the mother/wife as a zombie and they're reaction as she was killed.
And why is everyone mentioning Tyreese? Is he gonna start coming out?
And why is everyone mentioning Tyreese? Is he gonna start coming out?
11-29-11, 09:41 PM
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Re: The Walking Dead -- Midseason Finale -- "Pretty Much Dead Already" -- 11/27/11
What a crawling turd of a show compared to season one. I hope it picks up during the next half of the season.
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11-29-11, 10:50 PM
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