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Fringe -- Season Finale -- "The Day We Died" -- 5/06/11
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Re: Fringe -- Season Finale -- "The Day We Died" -- 5/06/11
As I understand it, it wasn't the kidnapping that started the destruction of the universes. It was the crossing over. We know Walter crossed over to take Peter. But it's a flaw in logic to assume that Walter wouldn't cross over if Peter didn't exist. We have tons of evidence to suggest Walter would cross over even without a good excuse. That's what he does.
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Re: Fringe -- Season Finale -- "The Day We Died" -- 5/06/11
As I understand it, it wasn't the kidnapping that started the destruction of the universes. It was the crossing over. We know Walter crossed over to take Peter. But it's a flaw in logic to assume that Walter wouldn't cross over if Peter didn't exist. We have tons of evidence to suggest Walter would cross over even without a good excuse. That's what he does.
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Re: Fringe -- Season Finale -- "The Day We Died" -- 5/06/11
J.J. Abrams originally said, “I want six seasons,” but that was back before we even had the pilot. I think they’ll put an end date on it like they did with Lost, and that way we can go out really strongly and finish up as one of the great science-fiction series of all time. That would be my wish, rather than going on for 10 years then going [Snores.]
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Re: Fringe -- Season Finale -- "The Day We Died" -- 5/06/11
Now that Human Target is canceled, bring back Mark Valley!
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Re: Fringe -- Season Finale -- "The Day We Died" -- 5/06/11
Another really good interview, this time with the show runners: http://www.hitfix.com/blogs/the-fien...ale-and-future
They talk about the finale, the overall planning of the show, how elements tie together and some rough plans for season 4.
They talk about the finale, the overall planning of the show, how elements tie together and some rough plans for season 4.
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Another really good interview, this time with the show runners: http://www.hitfix.com/blogs/the-fien...ale-and-future
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Re: Fringe -- Season Finale -- "The Day We Died" -- 5/06/11
recasting mark valley would be a disasterous walt storyline... his character was too early on when they didnt know what they were going to do with this show... last i remember he had clones or some shit, now where would olivias old love and/or clones play a role in the current storyline of the show?
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Re: Fringe -- Season Finale -- "The Day We Died" -- 5/06/11
recasting mark valley would be a disasterous walt storyline... his character was too early on when they didnt know what they were going to do with this show... last i remember he had clones or some shit, now where would olivias old love and/or clones play a role in the current storyline of the show?
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Re: Fringe -- Season Finale -- "The Day We Died" -- 5/06/11
recasting mark valley would be a disasterous walt storyline... his character was too early on when they didnt know what they were going to do with this show... last i remember he had clones or some shit, now where would olivias old love and/or clones play a role in the current storyline of the show?
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Re: Fringe -- Season Finale -- "The Day We Died" -- 5/06/11
Yeah, I'm not sure how well the show's early storylines mesh with the current storylines. Is the Pattern just due to the two collapsing universes or was that a different thing entirely. I still don't really understand how the shapeshifters fit into everything. Did Walternate create the shapeshifters and send them over here?
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Re: Fringe -- Season Finale -- "The Day We Died" -- 5/06/11
I thought they determined the pattern was related to the string of abnormal activities that had bee occurring? In retrospect, I think a lot of those turned out to be science experiments of a sort that the Other Side was conducting over here. They were mostly an attempt to figure out how to cross over. I think the shapeshifters were part of this. Since they couldn't fully send over organic material, they were able to send these over as programable operatives to do their bidding.
Speaking of ZFT, have we even seen them since David Robert Jones was killed in the S1 finale? Kind of strange, since the entire first season was basically about ZFT and their experiments in fringe science for use in the war with the Other Side. Seems like they would have played a role in the last two years, since the war has heated up.
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Re: Fringe -- Season Finale -- "The Day We Died" -- 5/06/11
My take on "the pattern" is that it is scientific phenomena related to other universe technology, either things being perpetrated by the other side against this side (ala the shape shifters) or other side technology that has made it over here. Nina's cyborg arm would seem to be something from "over there" that made it "over here," probably through William Bell.
I think they've pretty much dropped ZFT from the series, and I doubt they'll get more than a passing mention, if even that.
I think they've pretty much dropped ZFT from the series, and I doubt they'll get more than a passing mention, if even that.
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Re: Fringe -- Season Finale -- "The Day We Died" -- 5/06/11
That interview worries me a bit. It almost seems like what the Lost team was going through and then justifying it by saying they were responding to what worked. Sound like code for just winging it and a lot of retcon. I just hope they give the series ending a half a season to resolve.
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Re: Fringe -- Season Finale -- "The Day We Died" -- 5/06/11
I'm pretty sure that's wrong too. It was the mass imbalance created by taking Peter back here without leaving dead Peter's body to replace him. That's why Walternate shipped a dismembered Broyles to us when he retrieved Altlivia. We've seen explicit evidence that mass imbalances cause disruptions. The thousands of tons in a brownstone cause instant disruptions, while the small imbalance of a human body took decades to have effect.
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Re: Fringe -- Season Finale -- "The Day We Died" -- 5/06/11
Yeah, I'm not sure how well the show's early storylines mesh with the current storylines. Is the Pattern just due to the two collapsing universes or was that a different thing entirely. I still don't really understand how the shapeshifters fit into everything. Did Walternate create the shapeshifters and send them over here?
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I'm pretty sure that's wrong too. It was the mass imbalance created by taking Peter back here without leaving dead Peter's body to replace him. That's why Walternate shipped a dismembered Broyles to us when he retrieved Altlivia. We've seen explicit evidence that mass imbalances cause disruptions. The thousands of tons in a brownstone cause instant disruptions, while the small imbalance of a human body took decades to have effect.
Really the main point is that people are thinking the other universe wouldn't be in trouble because Peter never existed. But we don't know that. Just because there wasn't a Peter to kidnap does not mean Walter wouldn't have visited. Or brought someone else back with him.
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Re: Fringe -- Season Finale -- "The Day We Died" -- 5/06/11
And speaking of the other universe, is it just the alternate Earth that's being destroyed or their whole universe? Are holes opening up on their Mars, other places in their Milky Way galaxy, and other galaxies in their universe?
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Re: Fringe -- Season Finale -- "The Day We Died" -- 5/06/11
Maybe. There are plenty of real-world physical effects that have sharp thresholds. Under the threshold, nothing, over the threshold, boom (so to speak).
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Re: Fringe -- Season Finale -- "The Day We Died" -- 5/06/11
Wasn't it pretty well established in the episode "Peter" that it was Walter's portal "punching a hole" through space-time that started to collapse the universe? That's why Dr. Warren and Nina were so desperate to stop him from crossing over initially, wasn't it?