Big Love #53 "Where Men and Mountain Meet" SERIES FINALE 3/20/11
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I was glad to see Ben and Heather together. Not unexpected but satisfying. I think they belong together. I don't see polygamy in their future.
Bill's death kind of reminded me of American Beauty. I hated American Beauty. I have mixed feelings about how they did this but I think his death was the right end for the show.
I do think a lot of the conflicts this season came from manufactured story lines out of left field.
I thought the denouement beautifully reflected the beliefs of the characters.
I loved hearing God Only Knows in the closing credits. The original opening credit sequence is my favorite of all time.
Bill's death kind of reminded me of American Beauty. I hated American Beauty. I have mixed feelings about how they did this but I think his death was the right end for the show.
I do think a lot of the conflicts this season came from manufactured story lines out of left field.
I thought the denouement beautifully reflected the beliefs of the characters.
I loved hearing God Only Knows in the closing credits. The original opening credit sequence is my favorite of all time.
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#28
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This was just a bad ending. Fuck this episode!
Carl shooting Bill was so stupid.
Everything about this episode felt like is was originally supposed to be a 13 episode season but then HBO suddenly said "sorry, you gotta wrap it up by episode 10".
The worst series finale of any HBO show.
Carl shooting Bill was so stupid.
Everything about this episode felt like is was originally supposed to be a 13 episode season but then HBO suddenly said "sorry, you gotta wrap it up by episode 10".
The worst series finale of any HBO show.
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Well, I was very disappointed by the resolution of the Alby storyline. After all the buildup throughout the run of the show, it ends just like that?
Bill's end was not too surprising, but having it be Carl was kind of annoying. Also, I thought that the timing of it made it obvious. I.e. as soon as he saw Carl, we knew what was going to happen. I guess Bill shouldn't have (presumably) dismissed the security team upon Alby's capture.
Lois' ending was nicely done.
While I didn't think the episode was horrible, I'd agree that the season felt rushed.
FWIW, I was also glad to hear God Only Knows again, even if not the Beach Boys version.
I'm also just glad there 'was' resolution to this series. After watching this many seasons, it would've been shameful to not have any conclusion.
Bill's end was not too surprising, but having it be Carl was kind of annoying. Also, I thought that the timing of it made it obvious. I.e. as soon as he saw Carl, we knew what was going to happen. I guess Bill shouldn't have (presumably) dismissed the security team upon Alby's capture.
Lois' ending was nicely done.
While I didn't think the episode was horrible, I'd agree that the season felt rushed.
FWIW, I was also glad to hear God Only Knows again, even if not the Beach Boys version.
I'm also just glad there 'was' resolution to this series. After watching this many seasons, it would've been shameful to not have any conclusion.
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I was wondering and for those of you who also were, if you didn't already know, it was Dixie Chick Natalie Maines who sang God Only Knows at the closing credits.
You can hear the whole song here:
http://www.people.com/people/article...473643,00.html
I see the article is a week old and the song has been available on iTunes since March 15. I'm glad I didn't know any of that.
You can hear the whole song here:
http://www.people.com/people/article...473643,00.html
I see the article is a week old and the song has been available on iTunes since March 15. I'm glad I didn't know any of that.
#31
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Re: Big Love #53 "Where Men and Mountain Meet" SERIES FINALE 3/20/11
Wow... great episode - even with a few minor complaints.
No mention of Joey was strange. Poor Teenie.
Need better Albie closure. The Grants were a major part of the show afterall.
Loved that they killed off Bill. Didnt think they'd do it, but it has to happen this way IMO. As soon as I saw Carl near the end, I knew Bill was dead.
Nice to see Sara and Scott.
Margene has to feel like shit, no? She made a big mess with her lying about her age. Now Bill's death is due to her involvement in that pyramid scheme.
I assumed Frank would have off'd himself as well... but I guess not. I think it would've worked better if they both went.
So Lois and Bill's time of death are pretty close.
I don't think Ben and Heather are married... it's only been 11 months. Seems way too soon (although I now see ring on her finger)
Also, it's only been 11 months since Bill died... but from what Nikki said, Margene's already taken off for a long stretch of time at least once before. She didn't waste any time leaving after Bill's death. More troubling... she has 3 kids of her own she's left behind once already... and now for another 3 months. I find that odd.
Oh, seen Margene in other roles with short hair... she looks soooo much better with long hair.
It was sad and beautifully done when Margene went back for another hug with Barb/Nikki with Bill looking on from the head of the table.
Great series... I'll miss it.
No mention of Joey was strange. Poor Teenie.
Need better Albie closure. The Grants were a major part of the show afterall.
Loved that they killed off Bill. Didnt think they'd do it, but it has to happen this way IMO. As soon as I saw Carl near the end, I knew Bill was dead.
Nice to see Sara and Scott.
Margene has to feel like shit, no? She made a big mess with her lying about her age. Now Bill's death is due to her involvement in that pyramid scheme.
I assumed Frank would have off'd himself as well... but I guess not. I think it would've worked better if they both went.
So Lois and Bill's time of death are pretty close.
I don't think Ben and Heather are married... it's only been 11 months. Seems way too soon (although I now see ring on her finger)
Also, it's only been 11 months since Bill died... but from what Nikki said, Margene's already taken off for a long stretch of time at least once before. She didn't waste any time leaving after Bill's death. More troubling... she has 3 kids of her own she's left behind once already... and now for another 3 months. I find that odd.
Oh, seen Margene in other roles with short hair... she looks soooo much better with long hair.
It was sad and beautifully done when Margene went back for another hug with Barb/Nikki with Bill looking on from the head of the table.
Great series... I'll miss it.
#32
Re: Big Love #53 "Where Men and Mountain Meet" SERIES FINALE 3/20/11
Wow... great episode - even with a few minor complaints.
No mention of Joey was strange. Poor Teenie.
Need better Albie closure. The Grants were a major part of the show afterall.
Loved that they killed off Bill. Didnt think they'd do it, but it has to happen this way IMO. As soon as I saw Carl near the end, I knew Bill was dead.
Nice to see Sara and Scott.
Margene has to feel like shit, no? She made a big mess with her lying about her age. Now Bill's death is due to her involvement in that pyramid scheme.
I assumed Frank would have off'd himself as well... but I guess not. I think it would've worked better if they both went.
So Lois and Bill's time of death are pretty close.
I don't think Ben and Heather are married... it's only been 11 months. Seems way too soon (although I now see ring on her finger)
Also, it's only been 11 months since Bill died... but from what Nikki said, Margene's already taken off for a long stretch of time at least once before. She didn't waste any time leaving after Bill's death. More troubling... she has 3 kids of her own she's left behind once already... and now for another 3 months. I find that odd.
Oh, seen Margene in other roles with short hair... she looks soooo much better with long hair.
It was sad and beautifully done when Margene went back for another hug with Barb/Nikki with Bill looking on from the head of the table.
Great series... I'll miss it.
No mention of Joey was strange. Poor Teenie.
Need better Albie closure. The Grants were a major part of the show afterall.
Loved that they killed off Bill. Didnt think they'd do it, but it has to happen this way IMO. As soon as I saw Carl near the end, I knew Bill was dead.
Nice to see Sara and Scott.
Margene has to feel like shit, no? She made a big mess with her lying about her age. Now Bill's death is due to her involvement in that pyramid scheme.
I assumed Frank would have off'd himself as well... but I guess not. I think it would've worked better if they both went.
So Lois and Bill's time of death are pretty close.
I don't think Ben and Heather are married... it's only been 11 months. Seems way too soon (although I now see ring on her finger)
Also, it's only been 11 months since Bill died... but from what Nikki said, Margene's already taken off for a long stretch of time at least once before. She didn't waste any time leaving after Bill's death. More troubling... she has 3 kids of her own she's left behind once already... and now for another 3 months. I find that odd.
Oh, seen Margene in other roles with short hair... she looks soooo much better with long hair.
It was sad and beautifully done when Margene went back for another hug with Barb/Nikki with Bill looking on from the head of the table.
Great series... I'll miss it.
#33
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I actually really like the remake of the song... And Margene going back for the hug with Bill looking on had me tear up a bit. Thought it was just a really good final act for the the show.
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There were some really great moments in the finale. Frank and Lois on the bed, the sister wives heading down the road in Barb's new car, Bill's speech to the Senate, Adeleen ranting on TV, and the final scene were all great moments.
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Ben's kind of the exception. Most (like Heather) wait until marriage to "do the deed". i.e. they don't tend to have long engagements if their boyfriend is not gone on a mission. A quick online check shows that 48% of BYU students are married at the time of graduation. Of course that doesn't include those students who leave school early with a "MRS" degree.
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Why? They plainly stated that what she and Bill did would have been legal in society's eyes except that he was already married. And Carl's act was hardly based solely on one particular thing - no job, unable to conceive, failing marriage, etc. He was just taking out his general frustrations with his own life on the guy across the street who was outwardly seemingly happy-go-lucky and had it all. Three wives, 11+ kids, owned his own thriving business and a newly elected Senator? I think that was what pushed him over with the sod.
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I didn't have a problem with the finale, but just as with this season and the one previous, it wasn't up to the near-masterpiece standard set by seasons 2 and 3.
my ratings for each season:
1: really good
2: fantastic
3: masterpiece
4: fun
5: acceptable
my ratings for each season:
1: really good
2: fantastic
3: masterpiece
4: fun
5: acceptable
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Re: Big Love #53 "Where Men and Mountain Meet" SERIES FINALE 3/20/11
Just saw it. The DVr cut off just as Margene went back for the huhg. oh well.
I predicted Bill would die by the end and I was right. Frankly, I was glad to see it. I felt for him, but I also felt like it had to happen.
Overall, i thought the finale was "meh". I fell like they owed us another 30min on this ep but whatever.
I predicted Bill would die by the end and I was right. Frankly, I was glad to see it. I felt for him, but I also felt like it had to happen.
Overall, i thought the finale was "meh". I fell like they owed us another 30min on this ep but whatever.
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Pretty solid ratings.
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I've mentioned before how much I like the LA Times' Show Tracker Blog entries that Allyssa Lee writes for this show. Here's the one for the Finale, which I think is a pretty good read and captures my feelings on the episode far better than I could:
Spoiler:
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And here is a really great post-finale interview she did with the show's creators that answers a lot of questions and issues brought up here about the finale and throughout the season; posted below, spoilerized for length:
Spoiler:
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Yeah, excellent interview. Thanks for posting that, Decker.
I was confused by this statement: "MO: We were five years into our marriage and Will came home with a henna. I had a fit that he had changed completely, and I couldn’t even look at him. So I could only imagine how our viewers felt during our fourth season."
I didn't realize the creators were a couple (not that there's anything wrong with that), so I thought they were referring to the show, in some manner.
And, although I understand why they didn't have Alby kill Bill, I was still disappointed with the conclusion to Alby's storyline. It just seems so non-final.
I was confused by this statement: "MO: We were five years into our marriage and Will came home with a henna. I had a fit that he had changed completely, and I couldn’t even look at him. So I could only imagine how our viewers felt during our fourth season."
I didn't realize the creators were a couple (not that there's anything wrong with that), so I thought they were referring to the show, in some manner.
And, although I understand why they didn't have Alby kill Bill, I was still disappointed with the conclusion to Alby's storyline. It just seems so non-final.
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Same, and remember the opening shot of the first episode is a slow pan and zoom of the houses - the reverse of the last shot of the series. Nicely done.
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The final 15 minutes were intense and emotional. I was tearing up pretty good when Bill got shot. I really wish it would've been Alby that shot Bill or even Nicki turning on him in some weird twist but it was a good way to wrap up the series and will keep you wondering what the future of Margie, Nicki and Barb will be like.
Natalie Maines' version of "God Only Knows" was beautiful at the end. I was in full tears at that point.
Natalie Maines' version of "God Only Knows" was beautiful at the end. I was in full tears at that point.