Mad Men -- "The Summer Man" -- 09/12/10
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Re: Mad Men -- "The Summer Man" -- 09/12/10
I love the way this show is examining the changing role of women in the workplace. It's clear that Joan is much more aware of her situation than any of the other characters think she is, and it's also clear that she resents Peggy for being just that bit younger to break through out of the stereotypical secretary/den mother role.
On the other hand, it's becoming increasingly clear that Peggy has very little idea about how her gender affects the working environment.
On the other hand, it's becoming increasingly clear that Peggy has very little idea about how her gender affects the working environment.
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Re: Mad Men -- "The Summer Man" -- 09/12/10
I dont know in NYC that it is really deemed "wrong" in a number of places... My wife has worked for a number of big law firms the past few years and although its not at the level of Madmen, it happens quite frequently.
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Re: Mad Men -- "The Summer Man" -- 09/12/10
When I was still living in LA, I seem to remember a studio executive suing his employer and claiming that the studio caused his alcoholism by supplying him with a mini-bar in his office. I think this was in the early to mid 80s. Unfortunately, I don't recall any specifics of the case.
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Re: Mad Men -- "The Summer Man" -- 09/12/10
Jon Hamm should take advantage and do what many other actors have done - take a chance, ask for a huge raise, or threaten to break your contract and leave the show. Larry Hagman, aka J.R. Ewing took the chance, and won; Carroll O'Conner, aka Archie Bunker took the chance, and won. I think Jon Hamm has that kind of chance, too.
Mad Men doesn't make so much money for AMC that Hamm could make some crazy demand. Right now it's reported that Hamm makes $100K per episode.
If Hamm made the demand for the kind of money Hugh Laurie earns ($400K) that could push the expenditure for Mad Men beyond its profit outlook. AMC would have to throw up their hands and declare that they can't produce the show at a loss, and Hamm would take the blame for (greedily) destroying a show that is more loved in his industry than in the general populace.
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Re: Mad Men -- "The Summer Man" -- 09/12/10
$1.3 million a season isn't bad pay for a critically acclaimed show which will almost certainly launch his career to much higher places. Higher pay that is. I can't imagine many projects being better than Mad Men. This has slowly become one of my favorite shows ever, and I though this episode was outstanding - even if the narration was a little jarring and clunky at first.
I loved the audio and camera tricks when Don took that sip during the staff meeting. It so perfectly captured the feeling someone with a 'problem' might have after a brief hiatus from their drug of choice.
Also some great lines in this one.
I loved when Peggy exclaims, "I feel like Margerat Mead!".
Sad that Betty appears to be growing even more resentful of Don now that his life hasn't been ruined the way she wanted. Glad Henry put her in her place - but it clearly still bothers her. She is so petty.
I loved the audio and camera tricks when Don took that sip during the staff meeting. It so perfectly captured the feeling someone with a 'problem' might have after a brief hiatus from their drug of choice.
Also some great lines in this one.
I loved when Peggy exclaims, "I feel like Margerat Mead!".
Sad that Betty appears to be growing even more resentful of Don now that his life hasn't been ruined the way she wanted. Glad Henry put her in her place - but it clearly still bothers her. She is so petty.
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Re: Mad Men -- "The Summer Man" -- 09/12/10
That was really well done. I don't know if Don is a full-fledged alcoholic, but clearly he has a drinking problem and I'm glad they didn't just make it magically go away in one episode.
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Re: Mad Men -- "The Summer Man" -- 09/12/10
I thought Don handled the Henry situation well. While I think the boxes on the curb pissed him off to a certain extent, he held back. It was if he knew Henry was acting out because of Betty and he had to be thinking, "You made your own bed, buddy."
I found Francine's comment about Betty's entertaining luck hilarious. And then the follow-up scene of her icing a very lopsided cake. Good thing they can afford the nanny.
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Re: Mad Men -- "The Summer Man" -- 09/12/10
It seems that Don is the only fella who still wears a hat to work (and in public). I thought JFK put a stop to that.
I don't notice even the older guard (Roger/Bert) wearing hats, yet the 39-year old Don does?
I don't notice even the older guard (Roger/Bert) wearing hats, yet the 39-year old Don does?
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Re: Mad Men -- "The Summer Man" -- 09/12/10
Yep. It's comparing apples and oranges. Plus the ratings of Dallas (particularly) and AITF in their heyday were enormous. And frankly, while I love the Draper character, there is so much else to love about Mad Men, particularly the other characters. So much that I could actually envision the show w/o Draper. Whereas Dallas and AITF could not exist w/o those iconic characters.
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Re: Mad Men -- "The Summer Man" -- 09/12/10
Edit: I just realized that Jon Hamm might make a great Dick Tracy if they ever revive that character for another new movie.
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Re: Mad Men -- "The Summer Man" -- 09/12/10
Did anyone notice one of the guys rubbing his naked butt against the outside of Joan's office window while she was speaking to what's his name who drew the cartoon? Classic!
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Re: Mad Men -- "The Summer Man" -- 09/12/10
What did you think what's-his-name-who-drew-the-cartoon was laughing at while inside Joan's thoroughfare of an office?
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Re: Mad Men -- "The Summer Man" -- 09/12/10
This was one fantastic episode. I love, love, love this show so much. I was thinking that I didn't know how they were going to come back after last week’s episode and they hit it out of the park again.
Don is back but he is bigger and better. I think he's finally becoming comfortable for the first time in a long time.
In the locker room scene, as soon as the guy sat the radio down next to Don I knew it was "(I can't get no) Satisfaction" instantly. When the volume was pumped and he walked out on the street I got goose bumps. Amazing sequence.
I was so happy to see Don show up at Gene's birthday party.
Don is back but he is bigger and better. I think he's finally becoming comfortable for the first time in a long time.
In the locker room scene, as soon as the guy sat the radio down next to Don I knew it was "(I can't get no) Satisfaction" instantly. When the volume was pumped and he walked out on the street I got goose bumps. Amazing sequence.
I was so happy to see Don show up at Gene's birthday party.
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Re: Mad Men -- "The Summer Man" -- 09/12/10
I liked how last week we saw Don find Roger's writings and sort of laughed at it, but in this episode he seemed inspired to start writing himself.
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Re: Mad Men -- "The Summer Man" -- 09/12/10
Yep. It's comparing apples and oranges. Plus the ratings of Dallas (particularly) and AITF in their heyday were enormous. And frankly, while I love the Draper character, there is so much else to love about Mad Men, particularly the other characters. So much that I could actually envision the show w/o Draper. Whereas Dallas and AITF could not exist w/o those iconic characters.
It's funny you should mention Mad Men w/o Draper because it seems that this season is a lot more Don-centric than the last two. The other characters don't seem to get much screen time unless they are interacting with Draper. I guess they are trying to get Hamm an emmy.
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Re: Mad Men -- "The Summer Man" -- 09/12/10
Great episode but help me out....
Why was Don writing a book? Did I miss something? It seems like evertime I watch an episode, theres something that wasnt touched on previously. And to add, why was Roger doing a book and telling those stories? I dont remember anyone giving him a book deal.
Why was Don writing a book? Did I miss something? It seems like evertime I watch an episode, theres something that wasnt touched on previously. And to add, why was Roger doing a book and telling those stories? I dont remember anyone giving him a book deal.
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Re: Mad Men -- "The Summer Man" -- 09/12/10
Previously they had mentioned that a prominent, real life, ad man wrote a book about his life and career, so Roger (because he has absolutely nothing to do) is attempting to write his memoir --and he certainly does not have a book deal.
Don is writing a journal in an attempt to help him assess and straighten out his life --basically talking to himself because he would never in a million years consider opening up completely to another person.
Don is writing a journal in an attempt to help him assess and straighten out his life --basically talking to himself because he would never in a million years consider opening up completely to another person.