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Xander 05-28-10 11:51 AM

Re: Glee -- "Theatricality" -- 05/25/10
 
Enjoyed the ep, but for the first time in a long time (maybe ever) totally didn't like the music. I'm not a Gaga fan, so it was pretty painful to sit through her songs. The KISS song was fun, but that was about it. However, the rest of the show was great and there were some great funny moments and poignant moments as usual.

MJFargo 05-28-10 12:13 PM

Re: Glee -- "Theatricality" -- 05/25/10
 

Originally Posted by DRG (Post 10183346)
... but with Kurt and Finn the writers set up Finn to ultimately come off as the bad guy in that scene simply by throwing in the 'f' word in there.

And in that moment, I think Finn was the bad guy. I'm not in the camp that thinks Kurt did anything "wrong" maneuvering the parents togehter (I think they're a great couple and hope that's developed). And it back-fired and Kurt was punished...and I think he acknowledged that.

All along Finn was horrified for a number of reasons and one was having Kurt as his step brother. And I think that was wrong of him. And at the end of this episode he acknowledged that.

What's not clear is was Kurt doing this for "predatory" reasons? I don't see the evidence for that. Others do.

Giantrobo 05-28-10 12:31 PM

Re: Glee -- "Theatricality" -- 05/25/10
 

Originally Posted by MJFargo (Post 10183388)
And in that moment, I think Finn was the bad guy. I'm not in the camp that thinks Kurt did anything "wrong" maneuvering the parents togehter (I think they're a great couple and hope that's developed). And it back-fired and Kurt was punished...and I think he acknowledged that.

All along Finn was horrified for a number of reasons and one was having Kurt as his step brother. And I think that was wrong of him. And at the end of this episode he acknowledged that.



Glee has been very open about Kurt's feelings for Finn. There have been scenes with Kurt telling Finn about his feelings and up until this ep, Finn has dealt with this as best he can. In fact, I believe that if you take out the Kurt wants Finn factor, the Kurt becomes Finn's little brother angle becomes less of an issue to Finn.




What's not clear is was Kurt doing this for "predatory" reasons? I don't see the evidence for that. Others do.
Really? Everyone on the show has the "predatory" side. :lol:

Howiefan 05-28-10 12:35 PM

Re: Glee -- "Theatricality" -- 05/25/10
 
I think you guys are just projecting your own fears of being hit on by a dude LOL. Nobody would call the situation creepy if it was a girl.

Giantrobo 05-28-10 12:41 PM

Re: Glee -- "Theatricality" -- 05/25/10
 

Originally Posted by Howiefan (Post 10183430)
I think you guys are just projecting your own fears of being hit on by a dude LOL. Nobody would call the situation creepy if it was a girl.

:rolleyes:

How did you know!?

spainlinx0 05-28-10 01:05 PM

Re: Glee -- "Theatricality" -- 05/25/10
 
Some guys I'm sure would be freaked out by that, but let's not act like this board, and Glee watchers in particular, is populated by homophobic guys with a "I'll kill that *** if he looks at me" mentality.

It's flattering to have anyone hit on you, no matter your persuasion.

It's what the person does after they are turned down that determines the creepiness of the situation.

Renee 05-28-10 01:18 PM

Re: Glee -- "Theatricality" -- 05/25/10
 

Originally Posted by MJFargo (Post 10183280)

I also think Finn's character has been under a whole lot of stress and the scene where he blew up at Kurt was actually a symptom of his losing Quinn, his virginity, his friendship with Puck, his Dad, etc.; it really wasn't about gay stuff.

I think you're onto something here. When the episode first started, I was really confused as to why Kurt was suddenly excited about having Finn and his mom move in to his house. The last thing we saw on this subject was Kurt's devastated expression upon watching his dad and Finn bond over college football, while Kurt was both literally and figuratively on the outside looking in.

There was some talk in the original post about this episode being shown out of order, so that the Gaga songs would get the May Sweeps boost. I have to wonder if the episode that was shot immediately before this clears up some of this confusion.

We know that Finn has this image of his family and his father that is based purely in fantasy. He never knew his dad and because of that, he is very protective of this life that he imagines could have been. It has to be difficult to leave his father's house on the heels of everything that has happened with losing Quinn and finding out the baby wasn't his, going from being a popular football QB to having slurpees dumped on him as a Glee club loser, losing his virginity the way he did when earlier in the season he was shown to be a voluntary member of a celibacy club, finding out that his best friend banged his girlfriend when he himself never even got close... Wasn't there a reason he had to join Glee in the first place? Like he was blackmailed for something? This kid has had a very bad year! I can see where he may have lashed out at Kurt, even though that wasn't the reason he was really pissed. Moving in to Kurt's bedroom was just another piece of his identity that was taken away from him.

I think Kurt was really trying to be a friend to Finn. They've both lost a parent, they're both only children- and in his mind they would now be brothers. I think perhaps he had moved past his crush and was just looking to fit in. That's why he got so upset. He re-decorated for Finn, because Finn's coloring couldn't "pull-off Dior gray." In his mind, he was compromising and was most definitely excited about being part of a family. He apparently had a close relationship with his mom, and this was a chance to have that again. He didn't exactly fit in with his own dad, even though there was mutual respect and love. He did fit in with Finn's mom, and to some extent he thought he could also fit in with Finn.

You'll notice that Kurt initially tries to stop his dad when he starts yelling at Finn. Then, he stops. I think at that point he selfishly enjoys having his dad stand up for him. He's willing to throw Finn under the bus because he feels rejected by him- not sexually, fraternally. The next best thing is to reclaim some of his father's attention, the kind he feared he had lost when his dad and Finn bonded so easily.

I don't understand all of it, but I think it was really honestly portrayed, and I've enjoyed the discussion it brought up! These are hormonal teenagers, so much of what they do is lashing out and doesn't always make sense!

TwineTime 05-28-10 02:20 PM

Re: Glee -- "Theatricality" -- 05/25/10
 
I don't think I'm really confusing the issue. I'm not blaming Finn, just stating that I don't think Kurt was entering Fatal Attraction territory.

Actually what I was really trying to say, but couldn't put so eloquently, was what Renee just said. :D

MJFargo 05-28-10 03:17 PM

Re: Glee -- "Theatricality" -- 05/25/10
 

Originally Posted by Renee (Post 10183499)
Moving in to Kurt's bedroom was just another piece of his identity that was taken away from him. I think Kurt was really trying to be a friend to Finn.

Well, that's where I was with the scene. The reason I've gone on-and-on about it was the person I was watching it with (who's not a Glee fan) jumped to the same conclusion as some others (who are Glee fans) here.

With other news (gays in the military, the Prop 8 trial [here in California], and Jonathan Groff being slammed for playing a straight character), I felt like outside issues crept into the viewers' consciousness and what was basically a sibling conflict--sharing a room is never popular--was perceived as a sexual trap. And there have been so many such traps on the show that I thought it was wrongly overlaid here.

Pizza 05-29-10 07:01 AM

Re: Glee -- "Theatricality" -- 05/25/10
 

Originally Posted by Howiefan (Post 10183430)
I think you guys are just projecting your own fears of being hit on by a dude LOL. Nobody would call the situation creepy if it was a girl.

Guy wants cheerleader; schemes to get single parents together; success and lives under same roof 24/7 with cheerleader; shares bedroom. . .

I might find it creepy.

All the same, I like the Kurt character and don't mind him having a crush, but the parent manipulation thing was a tad much, but in defense so was the teacher's wife pretending to be pregnant. I mean, really, we are supposed to believe he had no clue she wasn't pregnant for more than a night? The answer is, this is a TV show named "Glee" that creates outlandish situations and . . . I'll keep on watching because it is entertaining as hell.


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