Originally Posted by dsa_shea (Post 10160486)

Then they should have played it off as Widmore's group shooting at them. Maybe a few lines between some of them talking about shooting at an unknown group and then them disappearing. This could have been a flash to the future.

Originally Posted by DarkestPhoenix (Post 10160457)

That would have been great, had they not found a water bottle from the Ajira flight.

Originally Posted by DarkestPhoenix (Post 10160555)

Not necessarily true....they did take over the landing strip and take control of the plane and pretend to be at least one 'survivor' of the Ajira crash. Having a water bottle from the plane does not strain credulity.

Originally Posted by DthRdrX (Post 10159993)

Are you serious? They stated in one of the first few podcasts of the season. "We don't view it at an alternate reality, we prefer to call it a seperate reality" That is a qoute directly from the writers!

Originally Posted by DthRdrX (Post 10160000)

BTW, I dont know if Calhoun understands this but the writers have been placing certain book covers on the show for sometime. They place them there because they are little hints about what is upcoming on the show.

Remember in S1 when Jack burned Sawyer's ''manuscript" after Sawyer stated he was about to find out 'whodunnit'. The name of the manuscript shown on screen was "Bad Twin." The writer of that manuscript was the first character killed who was sucked into the engine. Bad Twin ... Mib/Jacob ... Hint Hint

Remember Aldo reading "A Brief History of Time" in S3, the same episode they threw "Only Fools are Enslaved by Time and Space" at us? Do we have to read/understand Hawking's book to understand they were going to use time travel?Why did they select that book? Hint Hint

Remember Jacob reading "Everything that Rises must Converge" while he was waiting for Locke to fall out of the window ... Hint Hint

Originally Posted by DarkestPhoenix (Post 10160511)

Why is it that people think all appearances of the dead have to be the work of a smoke monster? It was only a few episodes back that we got word that ghosts ALSO appear and are the whispers, thanks to Michael. These operate independently of the smoke monster.

Also, in reference to your "theory", the only problem I have with it is the fact that your timing of the destruction of the island cannot be accurate. IF everyone lives their lives free of Jacob, then something has to be done BEFORE 1977, since we know Jacob interacted with Sawyer in 1974, when he gave him the pen at his parents' funeral. Therefore, Jack et al will have to travel back in time prior to the events of their own lives to kill/stop Jacob/MiB from interacting with them. Then, they would have to return to a point AFTER 1977 to destroy the island. I know this, because Ben and his father said they chose to leave. If THAT is true, it would have had to happen long enough after the incident to allow them to escape the island OR they would have left the island prior to the incident without Jacob's influence, which again would point back to the fact that our Heroes have to travel back in time far enough to prevent Jacob from keeping Ben on-island. Ben's father spoke of staying on the island, which infers he has no knowledge of its destruction. However, seeing the Dharma houses means the island had to have sunk after their construction, which means it's downed sometime between the sixties and present day.

Originally Posted by Big Boy Laroux (Post 10160760)

True true. It's possible. But they found the bottle on the main island, not on hydra island. Although, yes, it's possible that widmore's crew took the outrigger over with a bottle from the plane. But alana's group would have been more probable, but they're all dead now.

Originally Posted by Philip Reuben (Post 10160136)

Four, if the entire flash sideways storyline happens after the main events of the story, the whole subplot is leading nowhere and Desmond's quest started in "Happily Ever After" is of no relevance to anything. And you (calhoun07) feel this would be less of a disappointment than the flash sideways universe ceasing to exist?

Originally Posted by Philip Reuben (Post 10159967)

Quick theory:

The event that we've arguably been led to believe is "the Incident" is when the Dharma Initiative drilled into the pocket of electromagnetic energy (i.e. the glowing pool of light) and saw the rather terrible results of doing so. If the main characters had not decided to explode a nuclear bomb there, the Dharma Initiative would still have changed the goal of the Swan site to that of containing the energy, hence all the concrete and the need to enter the numbers. Given their lack of knowledge about the exact nature of the energy, they might have felt it prudent to treat it as "radioactive" (at least in front of the less important members of staff) until they could determine for certain what its properties were and how they could be harnessed.

Then, of course, the Others killed every member of the Dharma Initiative except the inhabitants of the Swan, leaving them in their belief that they needed radiation suits.

Originally Posted by calhoun07 (Post 10161160)

Eloise seems to be the only one who knows about the island and all of it and is trying to get Desmond to avoid his quest. I am not certain why...I surmise it may be because she realizes if they remember everything then whatever secret was buried with the island will live and she must want that secret buried for some reason.