Re: Lost -- "Across the Sea" -- 05/11/10
 

That's the impression I got... "Life, death, rebirth" as the smoke monster. I think they are still the "same" person.

Re: Lost -- "Across the Sea" -- 05/11/10
 

Or maybe we'll get LOST: The Plan.

Re: Lost -- "Across the Sea" -- 05/11/10
 

That's my point. We're in the 6th season of the show, if you've stuck around for this long I don't think it's too much for you to remember something that was recapped in an episode earlier this season.

A better way to address it would have been on the "previously on" but since there was nothing previous to this episode we didn't get that.

Re: Lost -- "Across the Sea" -- 05/11/10
 

Wanting off the island is part of who MiB was, not a generic smoke monster that just happened to live in the cave of wonders.

If this took place thousands of years ago, the science wouldn't be there to justify the experiment. It's very much, "we got this light source, a magnetic field and a wheel, we're going to put them together to see what happens," which is just silly. This is another reason this episode should have happened sooner because they could have revisited it to expand on things. The first half could have been done via flashbacks during another episode, then they could have done a full episode dedicated to adult Jacob & MiB. Instead we get a half dozen episodes about a useless temple where everyone ended up dying anyway.

Re: Lost -- "Across the Sea" -- 05/11/10
 

If MIB and the Smoke Monster aren't one and the same, then why is the Smoke Monster still bound by the "rule" that he can't kill Jacob?

Re: Lost -- "Across the Sea" -- 05/11/10
 

He kinda knew how Vic woukld end up. That's all that was planned.
The Shield just had a much simpler story and much better writers.

Someone said in the thread for this seasons premiere, that the show would probably end with people bitching that their theories were wrong, or that there would be too much explaining/trying to explain - making the mysteries seem lame.
I guess he was right.

There's absolutey NO WAY it ends satisfactory for most fans. Keep that in mind when watching the finale and it might be possible to enjoy it.

Re: Lost -- "Across the Sea" -- 05/11/10
 

How does Jacob get on and off the island?

Re: Lost -- "Across the Sea" -- 05/11/10
 

Even though Jacob took "Mother's" place as protector of the island, they seem to have different agendas. Mother's only concern was to keep people away from the island and protect the light. Jacob's main agenda was to show them that man is capable of not being greedy, violent, etc. I hope they explain to us why he suddenly went that route.

If your #1 job is to protect the light, I don't think constantly bringing people to the place that has it is a good idea.

I'm still not sure yet if I agree with the theory that Mom = smoke monster. But I did notice she had the exact same quote that MIB (Smoke Monster version) said to Jacob. "They come, they fight, they destroy, they corrupt. It always ends the same."

Re: Lost -- "Across the Sea" -- 05/11/10
 

Re: Lost -- "Across the Sea" -- 05/11/10
 

It is a way to guarantee that your merchandise and dvd sales will be less than expected come the end of the series.

Re: Lost -- "Across the Sea" -- 05/11/10
 

But yet MIB was quick to join them and never saw any of that first hand. Instead he sees the aftermath of either his mom or brother wiping out the whole lot of them. So it baffles me that MIB would actually say and believe that at the same time wanting to go home where those people came from.

Re: Lost -- "Across the Sea" -- 05/11/10
 

Donkey Wheel Scene:

MIB: "And then I'm going to attach that wheel to a system we're building. A system that channels the water and the light. And then I'm going to turn it and when I do I'll finally be able to leave this place."

Mother: "How do you know all this? How do you know it will work?"

MIB: "I just read the new home improvement manual."

Re: Lost -- "Across the Sea" -- 05/11/10
 

Now I understand why Lucas decided to give Anakin Skywalker a "virgin birth." Fans just keep wanting to go back further and further.

Maybe the power of the island is like God...it always has been and it always will be. You can't know how it started because it always just was there.

Re: Lost -- "Across the Sea" -- 05/11/10
 

does polarizing mean sloppy, shitty writing that does nothing other than slap fans in the face?

Re: Lost -- "Across the Sea" -- 05/11/10
 

Exactly what I said. There has to be a start to "our story" otherwise things just keep going back further and further to the point where it's just too much.

Re: Lost -- "Across the Sea" -- 05/11/10
 

The first thing I thought of when I saw the cave of light is the Garden of Eden. When Adam and Eve were cast from the Garden of Eden, God placed an angel with a flaming sword at the garden so they could never enter again.

Whether it's actually supposed to be the Garden of Eden or a metaphorical representation of it, it makes sense that the island IS the Garden of Eden in some way. The light cave may be the source of life for all and the first protector of the island was an angel of God. Since then, the angel had to find somebody to replace them and so on until Jacob and MIB and now apparently Jack.

That's just a rough idea...how that ties into every minute detail I don't know. But when you said it was the source of all civilization it reminded me that was my first thought when I saw the cave. And the water was the river of life...that's why drinking from it made them immortal.

Re: Lost -- "Across the Sea" -- 05/11/10
 

People who watch this show like that don't count.

Re: Lost -- "Across the Sea" -- 05/11/10
 

I honestly do not get how people can defend this episode. I mean there 3.5 hours of this episode left and like many people said either:

- for every answer there was 3 or 4 new questions
- the answers provided were lazy (lol @ donkey wheel and "the light")

I want to see a clear connection to Season 1, besides the Adam and Eve skeletons. Simply:

- Walt. A lot of time and energy was focused on how important Walt was but we have not heard a thing about him in years. Are the writers hoping we all forgot?

- Others stealing Kids. Yeah they cannot have kids but we have learned in later seasons that the others are not as zombified\crazy as first thought

- The Season 1 "list". So some of our heros were on this list but not everyone. What is the deal and how does this tie to the candidates.

As you can see, there are so many loose ends between there first half of the series and the last half, I just want there to me some sort of linear story. Instead, I think the writers want us to forget all of that ever happened except when they make a weak attempt to tie the worls together (i.e. adam and eve).

Forget how they are going to make everyone happy or answer the 100+ questions still outstanding, but how how are they going to tell a story that ties the beginning, middle and ending together?

Re: Lost -- "Across the Sea" -- 05/11/10
 

I think we should make a list of the questions we want answered and whine after the finale airs on which ones didn't get answered. Because, bottom line, is that a lot of the questions being raised here really wouldn't have fit in with a MIB/Jacob back story episode.

Re: Lost -- "Across the Sea" -- 05/11/10
 

I just checked the Adam and Eve scene from Season 1, and Jack just says that they've been there for a "long" time and that it takes "40 or 50 years for clothing to degrade like this."

Re: Lost -- "Across the Sea" -- 05/11/10
 

Darlton confirming they won't be showing the Outrigger shootout. :(

Re: Lost -- "Across the Sea" -- 05/11/10
 

Re: Lost -- "Across the Sea" -- 05/11/10
 

Yeah, I tossed that out earlier in the year(theory came from a friend), but I don't recall it getting any traction. You know, mention anything about religion on these boards and its universally ignored, no matter what the context. :lol:

IF this ends up being the case, then I have no problem with leaving the powers, immortality, etc. unanswered. It would kinda make sense in that scenario.

Re: Lost -- "Across the Sea" -- 05/11/10
 

Lindelof's head is so big he's about to take flight.

Luckily he's so full of shit he'll never leave the ground.

Re: Lost -- "Across the Sea" -- 05/11/10
 

Maybe the smoke monster imprints on the person whose shape it assumes. It is possible this could be explained in between scenes of Kate and Officer Sawyer making googley-eyes at the police station next week.

Re: Lost -- "Across the Sea" -- 05/11/10
 

What?? Where's that news from?

Re: Lost -- "Across the Sea" -- 05/11/10
 

The Walt storyline is dead. We've known this for a long time. They explained by having Locke visit him when he was back on the mainland. He told Walt he didn't have to go back, or something like that. Michael's dead and Walt is free of the island's influence. He's no more relevant that Bernard and Rose.

The biggest problem I have with the others is we'll never know why there were two groups; the hippies at the temple, and the domesticated ones who appropriated Dharmaville. As for stealing kids, they were probably trying to protect them. They couldn't take adults because they would have a harder time adapting to the situation.

The show shifted gears once it was decided during season three that they would end it after season 6. A lot of stuff was jettisoned and some characters were ditched for problems outside the show. The writer's strike shortened season 4, and threatened the entire production. I doubt this is how the show would have ended if it had proceeded exactly as planned in the beginning, but the last three seasons are reasonably cohesive, and at least we're getting an actual ending, unlike V or Flashforward.

Re: Lost -- "Across the Sea" -- 05/11/10
 

You know posting 39 times in 10 pages doesn't make this post suck any less, I laugh at the people trying to defend this episode.

Re: Lost -- "Across the Sea" -- 05/11/10
 

In this interview - there aren't any spoilers, they mostly discuss last night's episode and the reaction.

Exclusive interview: 'Lost' producers Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse talk 'Across the Sea'

Re: Lost -- "Across the Sea" -- 05/11/10
 

lol so are alot of other "places"

Re: Lost -- "Across the Sea" -- 05/11/10
 

I have a lot of sympathy for the writers if they had to abandon stuff from the earlier seasons due to actor issues, the strike, etc. They needed to own up to that and tell us what we weren't getting, though. While I know we're not seeing Walt, they still owe us an explanation about the kids and that whole dynamic. They still owe us a shit-ton of explanations about The Others. They owe us an explanation about the Ben-Widmore dynamic. They owe us explanations from things that arose in every single episode since they got an end date.

They do owe us these things. That's the deal we made making them rich men for their work here. It sickens me that they might not give us what will be satisfying. My expectations aren't terribly high -- now that I am able to separate the terrible acting, forced writing, and terrible production values away from the core message of last night's episode, I'm not quite as incensed. I want them to give us answers, but I'm actually pretty accepting of the answers as long as they're consistent. For instance, it would be cheating to say Fmother was a smokey and could be killed by MIB because they had not talked in 5 minutes when that was clearly not the rule presented earlier in the season.

Re: Lost -- "Across the Sea" -- 05/11/10
 

Wow, I'm pretty surprised at the hatred for this episode. I actually enjoyed it. Feel free to laugh. I don't understand how people get so angry about the need for concrete answers. It's not even the last episode folks. It's just a backstory to Jacob and MiB. I don't see anything wrong with leaving some room for speculation (about what exactly the light is and where it came from, who the mother is and where she came from, etc).

Re: Lost -- "Across the Sea" -- 05/11/10
 

I don't have access to Hulu.

Re: Lost -- "Across the Sea" -- 05/11/10
 

It really, really pisses me off they aren't going to address the outrigger shooting. CLEARLY they had something specific in mind. It's not like this was a small little Season 2 question...

Re: Lost -- "Across the Sea" -- 05/11/10
 

They didn't leave room for speculation -- they intentionally raised a ton of questions they didn't have to raise. If Allison Janney had been the one who washed up on the beach and had these kids herself, we'd be left to speculate who she was and where she came from. That level of speculation is appropriate. Putting her there, suggesting she has some insight into the island, having her kill the mother, and her doing all the scheming she did is not just leaving room for some speculation. Those are real questions they have to know that they have to answer.

Re: Lost -- "Across the Sea" -- 05/11/10
 

:wtf:

That's just a douche statement right there. Maybe the reason I still like the show is because I don't read interviews with these pompous assholes.

Re: Lost -- "Across the Sea" -- 05/11/10
 

Let's name an episode the Shape of Thing to Come and then lets never address that stuff again.

Re: Lost -- "Across the Sea" -- 05/11/10
 

Since I just read they couldn't even keep people named Scott versus Steve straight, maybe this genius brigade just couldn't come up with a distinctive enough name.

Tarantino teasing us with no name for The Bride in Kill Bill Vol. 1 worked because he's a fucking master compared to these hacks and because he actually paid it off quite well. That sort of douchebaggery you uncovered makes me want to go find these men and strand them on an island so the world can be safe from their expanding egos.

Re: Lost -- "Across the Sea" -- 05/11/10
 

Well put.

Re: Lost -- "Across the Sea" -- 05/11/10
 

Exactly Jimmy James, the utter contempt in that interview is amazing. Hell they don't even know why people watched their own show lol.

And sorry I never had theories for them to rain on or be upset they were wrong. I just watched. And I know enough to get they're clueless and have had no real idea where they were going. They care about the characters not the actual Island, the island means nothing to them because they're bad writers, clearly can be seen now. They were plot devices to further their half ass character stories. What and how meant nothing to them, yet that is why people were watching lol, CLASSIC.

But I'll say least it wasn't like Soprano's where they made you wait nearly 2 yrs for new seasons and when they did come were only what 12 episodes long. Two overrated shows that imploded, move along, nothing to see here.