van der graaf

Or maybe, MAYBE, it was the 'alternative time-line' for the ship...[music buILDS]...LOST.

cracksky

We've seen a lot of examples on the island of quick rainstorms appearing out of nowhere with no explanation. The ship at the end of S5 looks exactly like the Black Rock in the painting at the auction where Widmore won the ledger. Jacob said he brought the ship to the island. I think whatever Jacob does causes disturbances in the atmosphere surrounding the island.

I think Jacob is on the side of evil. He brings people to the island. All the MiB wants to do is leave because he's stuck there.

Tommy Ceez

WHy the HELL does the S5 ship have to be the Black Rock?

In this episode its obvious that MIB and Jakob have not spoken in a long while, which would make no sense if they just spoke as the Black Rock was sailing in.

If we are to understand that Jakob has brought people to the island before are we not to assume that they came in boats similar to the boat in S5?

dsa_shea

The crew master wouldn't have freaked out if they had been to the island before.

Draven

Because that is the entire point of the reveal at the end of that scene! If it's just "another ship" then why make a big deal about showing it? It's not like there are a ton of wrecked ships on the island.

That entire scene is staged in such a way that you don't know exactly when it takes place...then they reveal the Black Rock. That's the "holy shit" moment to cap off the season.

I don't think it's any more complicated than "they didn't have the Season 6 scene planned before writing that scene during Season 5"...retconning it is just a waste of time.

JTH182

Damon and Carlton said in the podcast that the ship at the end of Season 5 is the Black Rock and that the storm whipped up really fast, which tends to happen on the island.

Anyone remember the helicopter scene? Same thing. Let's move on.

ATX

^ yeah i made that point about the weather plus the sudden daytime/nightime shifts

so i agree let's move on...

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now i have a dumb question, maybe this have been asked or it's too logical

i been rewatching my s5 bluray lately and was watching the scene where Christian is talking to Locke underground telling him what to do with the ancient donkey wheel

he first mentioned to Locke that back in the cabin that he told him that HE had to "move the island" not Ben (confirming he was the same Christian from the cabin

but anyways, my question (occured to me while watching) is *if* Christian is M-I-B, then why is it he can't just take the Donkey-Wheel-Express himself off the island if he wants to leave? I mean if it's good enought for Locke, Ben, and polar bears.. why can't he take it?

DthRdrX

There would have to be other wrecked ships somewhere.

"They come, they fight, they corrupt, it always ends the same" - MiB

If he meant people before the Black Rock how did they get there if not on a ship?

Palaver

Three words I would have never guessed I would put together:

Draven

Why haven't they seen them? Why have they returned to the Black Rock again and again if ships abound on the island?

I have a theory...

van der graaf

Or,

RocShemp

I watched this episode again today and just noticed that when Whitfield purchased Richard he said "this man is now the property of Captain Magnus Hanso".

Did they throw in that reference just for the hell of it or will they delve a bit more into Hanso during one of the next few episodes?

Josh-da-man

"Magnus Hanso" was named as the Captain of the Black Rock a couple of years ago as a part of the "Lost Experience" thing. I think the name was also on the blast door map from season two.

Also, in "The Constant," Charles Widmore was at an auction to buy a Black Rock journal by one of its crew, and the book was being sold by someone else named Hanso.

RocShemp

I know that. I just wonder if they mentioned him in this episode just as a random reference (a'la Paulo and Kiele Sanchez' character) to the previous mentions or if they'll be more it than that in another episode.

calhoun07

Do we really need to see more of Hanso on screen in the series, though? I think the fans already have an understanding of what was going on there. I am not sure I would want to see time spent on that in the last few hours we have left of this series.

Josh-da-man

Yeah, I'd much rather watch everyone sitting around on the beach and hiding in the jungle waiting for something to happen than for them to waste time tying all of the mysteries together.

boc4ever

You, sir, have a 4.0 GPA in sarcasm...

nicely done!

hardercore

Tovard Hanso. I imagine the journal would simply be an item inherited, it must've been 4-5 generations old by the time Widmore got his hands on it. I guess the common theory is that journal allowed him to relocate the island somehow.

XavierMike

I agree. I feel like the whole Hanso plot has been significantly dealt with. I really want some time spent on the origin of Jacob and mib.

calhoun07

Obviously they aren't going to just be sitting in the jungle and hiding much longer. Clearly they are moving the island storyline forward.

The Hanso mystery has been tied together. The pieces to the puzzle are there. Just because they weren't spoon fed to you in one handy episode like the Richard episode doesn't make it any less so. I don't see what the point would be in doing an episode just about that. If they do, it would be rehashing things we already knew, unless they have more to add to the story.

redrum

people don't seem to realize they pretty much have to save all the big shit for the finale, that's why i'm not getting mad at these episodes with no mysteries being solved, i have faith they will bust a huge load of answers on us at the end

JTH182

I best stock up on Kleenex® then

andy434343

Maybe this will be the thread cap, maybe it will inspire more people to write in it, I don't know.

I am happy with the pace at which we have been getting answers this season. I am the most entertained that I have ever been with lost this season, since I am cherishing each episode that much more since I know it is very close to the end of one of the best rides I have ever experienced on television. I LOVE how this season has had the characters visiting all of the important sites on the island, and will continue that way to the end of the show. I feel bad for anyone that does not enjoy it as much as I do. I have decided by this point that even if the finale leaves a bad taste in my mouth, I will still be purchasing the Blu Ray collection. It has been too good, for too long, to make me not consider owning the whole collection on blu ray, even if the ending is not what I hoped it could be.

I have feelings that it is going to start to get tragic soon on the show, and I feel like it will be much more emotional to witness these tragic events, since we have been with these characters for 6 years.

s}{ammer

It could just be that every time a ship comes, it's the same ship, the same people just a different timeline. If this were true then basically MIB has to keep trying different techniques with the same game pieces until he figures out a way to win.

d2cheer

Well I am glad that there are some fans liking this but for me... well let me put it this way. If this was not the last season I would have quit watching a long time ago. I believe that they put the cap on the seasons at 6 near the end of the 4th season (which for me was painful to watch because it was so bad). At that point I decided to stick it out until the end no matter how bad it got. There have been some good episodes but many have been very poor as well. Overall I think the audience is becoming frustrated and tired of it. The ratings have steadily decreased. I do not need things "spoon fed" to me either I just need to become invested in the characters again. That has not happened for me for some time now with all of this silly Jacob and MIB stuff. I get that series evolve over time and changes are made due to story etc... but this is so far from the series that I started watching I just want it to end and get it over with.