The Office -- "Sabre" -- 02/04/10
02-05-10, 11:16 PM
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Re: The Office -- "Sabre" -- 02/04/10
Who gets credited and who does not is all a matter of contracts and salaries. And often it doesn't make any sense --look at House, for example.
As a credited cast member of The Office, BJ Novak gets a paycheck for every episode whether Ryan appears in it for 10 minutes, 10 seconds, or not at all. They are not going to fire him --he's also one of the show's producers. And he would be a total fucking idiot to voluntarily give up the money.
Ed Helms being added to the credited cast was definitely a result of his higher profile after the success of The Hangover. He's probably receiving more movie offers, and if they want him to turn any of those down to film Office episodes, he let them know that he would need an increase in status and more money.
I always thought it was odd that Rainn Wilson was second credited before Krasinski and Fischer, but he had more television experience than them, and was able to parlay that into better billing.
As a credited cast member of The Office, BJ Novak gets a paycheck for every episode whether Ryan appears in it for 10 minutes, 10 seconds, or not at all. They are not going to fire him --he's also one of the show's producers. And he would be a total fucking idiot to voluntarily give up the money.
Ed Helms being added to the credited cast was definitely a result of his higher profile after the success of The Hangover. He's probably receiving more movie offers, and if they want him to turn any of those down to film Office episodes, he let them know that he would need an increase in status and more money.
I always thought it was odd that Rainn Wilson was second credited before Krasinski and Fischer, but he had more television experience than them, and was able to parlay that into better billing.
02-06-10, 01:10 AM
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Re: The Office -- "Sabre" -- 02/04/10
La Salle would have been third or fourth credited out of six, so it was better for his status to go last with an "and".
For example, on The West Wing, Rob Lowe always went first because it was in his contract. Martin Sheen wasn't going to go second, so he went last with an "and".
02-06-10, 11:04 AM
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Re: The Office -- "Sabre" -- 02/04/10
I'm starting to get a little tired of Jim and Pam... hopefully the baby will make their relationship interesting again.
I'm also not a fan of the Erin/Andy subplot. It smells of the writers trying to recreate the Jim/Pam storyline, and it just doesn't work. Andy seriously just needs to come out already. That would be much more interesting.
I'm also not a fan of the Erin/Andy subplot. It smells of the writers trying to recreate the Jim/Pam storyline, and it just doesn't work. Andy seriously just needs to come out already. That would be much more interesting.
02-06-10, 04:49 PM
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02-06-10, 05:09 PM
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Re: The Office -- "Sabre" -- 02/04/10
I enjoyed this episode. I guess I'm a moron who only laughs because I'm a dancing chimp and the evil television show is whipping me.
02-06-10, 06:11 PM
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Re: The Office -- "Sabre" -- 02/04/10
It's cool to hate on "The Office," even though the show is virtually the same as it was when it started. People look at S1/S2 with rose-colored glasses. Sure, there are new characters and people's situations have changed, but at it's core nothing is different.
I think some people are just tired of the show, so they are overly critical based on some perceived "it used to be better" standard that doesn't exist.
I think some people are just tired of the show, so they are overly critical based on some perceived "it used to be better" standard that doesn't exist.
02-06-10, 08:06 PM
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Re: The Office -- "Sabre" -- 02/04/10
It's cool to hate on "The Office," even though the show is virtually the same as it was when it started. People look at S1/S2 with rose-colored glasses. Sure, there are new characters and people's situations have changed, but at it's core nothing is different.
I think some people are just tired of the show, so they are overly critical based on some perceived "it used to be better" standard that doesn't exist.
I think some people are just tired of the show, so they are overly critical based on some perceived "it used to be better" standard that doesn't exist.
02-06-10, 09:13 PM
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Re: The Office -- "Sabre" -- 02/04/10
I don't care if some people think it used to be funnier since every episode is going to have differing opinions, but I'm pretty annoyed at any idiotic comment that acts like those who enjoyed it were tricked or just had low expectations. Heaven forbid people enjoy an episode.
02-06-10, 10:04 PM
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Re: The Office -- "Sabre" -- 02/04/10
it doesnt matter what show u like, theres always gonna be times when certain seasons are stronger/weaker than the other seasons. Theres always gonna be episodes that will have you laughing from the moment it starts to the moment it ends and then there are gonna be episodes that give only a few laughs (if referring to a comedy).
I guess im one of the few that has enjoyed every episode of the office since its first episode. Even its 'weakest' episode (which i cant even think of one), still had me laughing.
If you think the show has lost what it had, or just dont find it funny anymore, then why watch it and bitch about how its not funny anymore?
I guess im one of the few that has enjoyed every episode of the office since its first episode. Even its 'weakest' episode (which i cant even think of one), still had me laughing.
If you think the show has lost what it had, or just dont find it funny anymore, then why watch it and bitch about how its not funny anymore?
02-06-10, 10:08 PM
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02-06-10, 11:06 PM
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It's cool to hate on "The Office," even though the show is virtually the same as it was when it started. People look at S1/S2 with rose-colored glasses. Sure, there are new characters and people's situations have changed, but at it's core nothing is different.
I think some people are just tired of the show, so they are overly critical based on some perceived "it used to be better" standard that doesn't exist.
I think some people are just tired of the show, so they are overly critical based on some perceived "it used to be better" standard that doesn't exist.
Yet these same people watch every episode religiously
02-07-10, 09:56 AM
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Re: The Office -- "Sabre" -- 02/04/10
Because, from the moment they "got together", they're simply not funny or interesting anymore.
Personally, I think even the creators are seeing that and that's why they're trying to recreate what they had with Jim/Pam with Andy/Erin. Unfortunately it's just not working as well.
And what's wrong with continuing to watch a show that I used to LOVE? I'll keep watching it until the end, but I'm not going to apologize for not thinking it's even half the show it was in seasons 1-3.
Personally, I think even the creators are seeing that and that's why they're trying to recreate what they had with Jim/Pam with Andy/Erin. Unfortunately it's just not working as well.
And what's wrong with continuing to watch a show that I used to LOVE? I'll keep watching it until the end, but I'm not going to apologize for not thinking it's even half the show it was in seasons 1-3.
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02-07-10, 11:59 AM
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Re: The Office -- "Sabre" -- 02/04/10
I think the question was intended for those who seem to think these days that the show is more unfunny than funny, yet continue to regularly watch something that they profess to no longer enjoy. If you plan to continue watching it until the end, I can only assume that, though you don't believe it to be as good as it once was, you still get more enjoyment out of it than not. Otherwise, it would be masochistic to continue regularly watching.
02-07-10, 12:02 PM
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Re: The Office -- "Sabre" -- 02/04/10
Just watched the episode on Hulu this morning. I'm constantly amused by the fact that every one of Michael's former superiors on the show wind up getting reassigned, arrested, fired, with most of them falling completely apart afterwards and becoming more screwed up than Michael himself. Not that this would be the case in the real world, but it amuses me to continually see that on the show.
02-07-10, 03:13 PM
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Re: The Office -- "Sabre" -- 02/04/10
Although, from time to time it's been funny as hell, in many ways I've always thought of the show as more of a night time soap opera that happens to be funny and not a comedy in the traditional sense. Judging it by that standard it's still as funny as it ever was.
02-07-10, 05:25 PM
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Re: The Office -- "Sabre" -- 02/04/10
Just watched the episode on Hulu this morning. I'm constantly amused by the fact that every one of Michael's former superiors on the show wind up getting reassigned, arrested, fired, with most of them falling completely apart afterwards and becoming more screwed up than Michael himself. Not that this would be the case in the real world, but it amuses me to continually see that on the show.
If there are people out there that watch every week when they truly dislike the show, then yeah I don't see the point in that.
02-07-10, 06:39 PM
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Re: The Office -- "Sabre" -- 02/04/10
It's cool to hate on "The Office," even though the show is virtually the same as it was when it started. People look at S1/S2 with rose-colored glasses. Sure, there are new characters and people's situations have changed, but at it's core nothing is different.
I think some people are just tired of the show, so they are overly critical based on some perceived "it used to be better" standard that doesn't exist.
I think some people are just tired of the show, so they are overly critical based on some perceived "it used to be better" standard that doesn't exist.
02-07-10, 08:05 PM
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02-07-10, 10:17 PM
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Re: The Office -- "Sabre" -- 02/04/10
It's interesting to me that people now think she's a bitch...I see a character who has simply matured.
02-08-10, 02:18 PM
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Re: The Office -- "Sabre" -- 02/04/10
I'm guessing she's more solid and outgoing because of being pregnant - and if so, then well done writers. My wife is pregnant, and is about 200% more outspoken now than she was before, and she was quite outspoken before.
02-08-10, 10:31 PM
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Re: The Office -- "Sabre" -- 02/04/10
"Scissor me!" 
I have only seen some of the earlier episodes from this season. I would watch but I don't really have the time and plus I like watching on DVD instead. What I did notice from the episodes I saw was a darker looking picture and it just kind of gave the show a different feel. And what show hasn't gone on for 5 or 6 + years and not had the characters "change" in some way. Of course we would still like to have the type of episodes from season 1-3 but that is just a bit unrealistic. Does anybody know if Kathy Bates is gonna stick around for a while?
I have only seen some of the earlier episodes from this season. I would watch but I don't really have the time and plus I like watching on DVD instead. What I did notice from the episodes I saw was a darker looking picture and it just kind of gave the show a different feel. And what show hasn't gone on for 5 or 6 + years and not had the characters "change" in some way. Of course we would still like to have the type of episodes from season 1-3 but that is just a bit unrealistic. Does anybody know if Kathy Bates is gonna stick around for a while?
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