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I could sort of dig "Threshold" on a surreal level. It's sort of like Grant Morrison ate a bunch of brown acid and wrote a Star Trek episode.

Of course, all of Voyager should be "decanonized." It was, at best, a handful of mediocre episodes you had to dig through a big pile of steaming, sloppy shit to find. This is the show that managed to make both Q and the Borg suck. You know, how on TNG, when you knew a Q or Borg episode was coming how you'd get excited? And then with Voyager, it was Oh, shit, not this again!

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TOS- Almost like a comedy, pretty fun, light.

TNG- Updated series, it generally wins the 'best of star trek series' awards, More of a explore series with some nice long arching enemies (Borg, etc). My 2nd favorite series.

DS9- Right after TNG, Was set in a space station, so you had less amount of different worlds/races, but you saw the same faces mostly, so much more time spent on personal relationships between the station's inhabitants, I would classify this a little like a Space opera. Had some nice long story lines (Dominion War). My favorite series

Voyager- Combined group of star fleet and resistance fighters, trying to get back home, The ship was a science vessel. My 3rd favorite series

Enterprise- Some love it, some hate it, I don't really have much of a opinion because I tuned out pretty quick.

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I couldn't guess ;)

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We almost named our new baby Jadzia! :D
It was seriously number one on the list until we fell in love with another name.

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Which was what... Ezri?

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Ha! not that one (I hated Ezri.) But we did have another one of Dax's previous host names on our list: Audrid.

(We named the baby Geneva. My late father was named Gene.)

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:confused: How would Data know who Escher is? Did he see a picture and go crazy, or does he have paradox-absorbing crumple zones?

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See, that's what makes the episode so idiotic. Here's what Memory Alpha says:

Sure sounds like an Escher drawing to me.

I didn't have a problem with any of that.

I'd rather have entertaining "connect the dots" fanfic like we got in the fourth season over the crap that came before it. :shrug:

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Maybe the Borg could be stopped by trying to get them to calculate pi.

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rotfl :thumbsup:

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Well, I'm arriving late to this party but I have to chime in because I'm surprised nobody's mentioned what I consider to be the best Star Trek episode(s) ever: The Menagerie. I think this is the perfect start for anyone getting into ST.

Also worth checking out is the original ST:TOS pilot The Cage on which The Menagerie is based.

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Prior to the release of the '09 Abrams film, I would have hesitated to recommend this to newbies. It's got Captain Kirk, but only in the framing story, and only Mr. Spock appears in the original episode footage with Captain Pike's crew. Now, however, I think fans of the recent film will be less likely to find themselves asking, "Can we get back to Kirk?" during the Pike segments.

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Wow, I completely forgot about this, I guess I don't frequent TV Talk all that often. There's a lot to sift through here, time to get started!

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Actually, depending on the store, you can get all of the Fan Collective sets at Wal-Mart now for around $13.

They've also started bringing in Voyager sets cheaper, too - Seasons 1 and 2 for $40 and 3 for $30. I've also seen the first three seasons of Next Generation for $30 to $40, and they have the re-mastered Original Series sets for $50, as well as the Animated Series for $15. No love for Deep Space Nine or Enterprise yet, though.

I'm hoping the price drops a bit more on all the Voyager sets, and then maybe I'll finally buy them.

As a long time Star Trek fan though, my favorite series of all of them would be Deep Space Nine. True, it did take a few seasons to truly find it's footing, but once it did, none of the other shows could match it, particularly the final four seasons. After that, I'd go Original Series, Next Generation, Voyager, and Enterprise. Personally, as much as I enjoy it, I find Next Gen to be somewhat often overrated, and Voyager and Enterprise to be not as bad people want to make them out to be. One thing that remains true about pretty much all of the subsequent shows is that they took at least a season (or three) to truly get find their direction and become better than they started out.

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I'm waiting for TNG complete series to drop below $200. I was going to ask for it for X-mas but the price (close to $300) seemed way too steep.

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Patrick Stewart: I will "Make It So."
[blank look from Andy]
Patrick Stewart: You've seen "Star Trek: The Next Generation?"
Andy Millman: I haven't, no.
Patrick Stewart: Why? Your wife won't let you have it on?
Andy Millman: I'm not married.
Patrick Stewart: Oh, your girlfriend then?
Andy Millman: I haven't got a girlfriend either. I live alone.
Patrick Stewart: You're not married, you haven't got a girlfriend... and you've never watched "Star Trek?"
Andy Millman: No.
Patrick Stewart: Good Lord...

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Thank you. It's what the first season of ENT should have been, get all the call-outs out of the way while the writers "found" the crews' personalities, then allowed to grow into it's own place over the next several seasons (of course including the Romulan War at some point).


I wouldn't it recommend for a newb either, but recently re-watching this on DVD a few months (with original FX), I was very impressed with the ability of the writers to take something that otherwise would have been relegated to the editing room floor, and not only make it hang together but make it a pretty good story at the same time. How many other series could take their previously unseen pilot, with only one character that made it to regular production (and with a different personality), and weave it into the main continuity so well?

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But they would be hostages of The Canon, and they could never interact with --or even see! the Romulans.

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Depicting that war, though, could've been pretty cool anyway. Just show scenes on the starfleet ships and scenes on the Romulan ships separately with no ship-to-ship communications.

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I remember when X-files season sets were over 100 each, then they dropped to 60..then finally to 19.99. Hopefully the Star Trek series take a similiar approach.

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I agree that TNG is a bit overrated and think that Enterprise is very underrated. And Voyager is better than it's usually given credit for, with some outstanding episodes in its run (seeing the excellent episode "Blink of an Eye" caused me to re-evaluate my view of the show) but it did seem to have a lot more mediocre episodes than the other shows had. (But, then again, every one of the series had cringe-inducing episodes from time-to-time during their run, even during their best seasons.)

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This might be a question for the Star Trek (2009) thread, but...

I was rewatching it last weekend and something jumped out at me: the link between Vulcans and Romulans seemed to be no shock to anyone. There's a line about the male communications officer on the Enterprise not being able to distinguish the Vulcan language from Romulan.

I'm fine with the idea that Nero's appearance revealed this fact to the Federation, but I wonder what the 23rd Century Romulans did about this, if anything? It seems of some import.

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I definitely agree with you about DS9. Nothing proves you're point more than 'Paradise Lost', and 'In the Pale Moonlight', two of my favorite eps.

What struck me most about 'In the Pale Moonlight' was just how far Captain Sisko is willing to go to win the war. I'm not so sure Kirk, Picard, or Janeway would have been willing to do what he did.

I still get chills down my spine at the final scene of that ep.

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I think that "Balance of Terror" used the conceit of nobody knowing what a Romulan looked as a McGuffin to examine the crew's reaction to Spock. Seems kind of dodgy that nobody would know what a Romulan looked like despite being at war with them.

Not sure if this was by design that the Romulans didn't want to be seen, or just because of the nature of the conflict and treaty. (I haven't seen most of the Enterprise episodes, so I don't know if they dealt with this or not.)