Re: Glee -- "Ballad" -- 11/18/09
 

When will they get to the fact that they have not actually had sex yet. Finn even tried to tell the dad last night, but got shot down

Re: Glee -- "Ballad" -- 11/18/09
 

"I'm very young and it's hard for you to be close to me" :lol:

I'd never paid attention to the lyrics of those songs but man, couldn't have been more perfect.

Another great episode. I really like how complicated the pregnancy is...because it would be complicated in real life. So it's nice to see the continuing problems, struggles, highs and lows. Has there been another show where a teenager took a baby to term? 90210 is the only one I can think of off-hand.

Re: Glee -- "Ballad" -- 11/18/09
 

Lots of emotional (and funny) moments in the episode. I was moved by the Lean on Me, then saw Puck being smug and douche-like and the fact that he was singing it to Quinn and not singing it to Finn undercut the emotion, in an intentional way.

Re: Glee -- "Ballad" -- 11/18/09
 

Quinn's dad watching Glenn Beck in the beginning. I knew from that moment how things were going to go, hilarious writing and a great follow through.

Re: Glee -- "Ballad" -- 11/18/09
 

Degrassi?

Re: Glee -- "Ballad" -- 11/18/09
 

I've never seen the show, but what happened to the pregnant lead chick in "Secret Life"? Did she carry it all the way?

Re: Glee -- "Ballad" -- 11/18/09
 

I didn't understand the Mercedes/Puck scene.
Did she not believe him and think he was jealous when she said, "Don't try to mess up that girls life"?
Or did she believe him and thought it best that Quinn raises the baby with Finn.
If it's the latter that's messed up.

Finn breaking down in front of his mother got to me.

I liked the mash-up song. Normally I skip them but it was pretty good. Emma and Rachel's reactions were hilarious.

Brittney is turning out to be my favorite Cheerio.

Re: Glee -- "Ballad" -- 11/18/09
 

It was written by Ryan Murphy...

Re: Glee -- "Ballad" -- 11/18/09
 

That one

Re: Glee -- "Ballad" -- 11/18/09
 

I must be in the minority, but I did not like the mash-up. I kept wanting to hear more of "Don't Stand So Close to Me" and I found it jarring how they kept switching to the other song.

Re: Glee -- "Ballad" -- 11/18/09
 

I think the reason why they had him perform more of "Young Girl" than "Don't Stand" was to demonstrate what may have been going on in his head. "Don't Stand" represents the temptation; the "hot chick wants me...why not?" part of his psyche, and "Young Girl" represents the reason; the better-thinking part that says "this is just simply not going to work, and here's why". The song is a battle between the two parts, and "Young Girl" wins out.

Re: Glee -- "Ballad" -- 11/18/09
 

She had the baby last season. Now in every scene, she folds laundry. :lol:

Re: Glee -- "Ballad" -- 11/18/09
 

I love when I don't wear underwear....commando....

Re: Glee -- "Ballad" -- 11/18/09
 

Agreed. I liked the Police parts of it but the other stuff was just ok.


Understood. But still, The Police song is still better than the other one.


I loved this ep because it had lots of heart. I thought the Pepper chick was pretty good and I also enjoyed the character narrations.

Plus, Will doesn't do a half-bad Sting.

Re: Glee -- "Ballad" -- 11/18/09
 

Pepper surprised me. I thought they were going the way of the traditional psycho chick, and she actually had good advice for Rachel.

Re: Glee -- "Ballad" -- 11/18/09
 

Every day is a precious day after an esophagus transplant.

Re: Glee -- "Ballad" -- 11/18/09
 

I don't think it's messed up at all when you look at the whole speech:

Mercedes: "All right, look. You need to get something through your mohawk real quick. You're the babby's daddy. It takes a hell of a lot more to be a father, and that role's already been cast, because Quinn chose Finn. You need to accept that and move on, because you have no business messing up that girl's life more than you already have. You need to back off. You owe her at least that much."

Re: Glee -- "Ballad" -- 11/18/09
 

I didn't know she said, "You're the babies daddy."

I still don't see how it's not messed up.

She's okay with Quinn lying to Finn to make him think it's his baby when it's not.

She admits that Quinn chose Finn, despite it being Puck's child.

Puck needs to accept that Quinn is choosing to lie about the babies father?

Puck messed up Quinn's life? Mercedes is not privy to how it happened, so why would she accuse him of messing up her life, when normally it's a mutual act?

Re: Glee -- "Ballad" -- 11/18/09
 

Mercedes differentiates, albeit briefly, someone being a "daddy", and someone being a "father". She acknowledges Puck is the "sperm donor", but reminds him that Quinn has chosen a father for her baby; someone who, even if the secret comes out to everyone, will love the baby like it's his own and provide for it, because he cares for Quinn and doesn't shirk his responsibilities.

I'm not sure if Mercedes knows that Puck has made a few gestures to help Quinn out, but it sounds like she knows Puck pretty well, enough to know that Quinn will be a lot better off with Finn.

She's not saying accept the lie itself, but accept that Quinn has chosen a father for her baby, and it's not Puck. She's definitely not saying that Quinn lying to Finn about the baby is okay. That's purely read into the speech on your part. She's just saying Quinn has made this choice about her future where Puck is concerned...and he should accept it.

I think when she said he "messed up her life", she was referring to the simple fact that Puck got her pregnant, which resulted in Quinn being kicked off the Cheerios, which was a big part of her life, and kicked out of her parents' home, which by the time of the speech I assume everyone knows about.

You also have to look at it this way: They're kids. They're inexperienced. They make mistakes. They're dealing with life the best they can, and getting what help they can along the way. They may not know every little detail about each other, and sometimes they act without knowing all the facts, but they're trying.

Re: Glee -- "Ballad" -- 11/18/09
 

I took it like Don't Stand was for Emma and Young Girl for Rachel, and the Rachel situation is more dire.

fixed

Eh? The lyrics of Don't Stand So Close to Me are about a teacher and a student.

Re: Glee -- "Ballad" -- 11/18/09
 

Yeah, I don't see why Will would be singing to Emma. Deep down, I think he has a little thing for her, too.

Re: Glee -- "Ballad" -- 11/18/09
 

The two songs were definitely for Rachel. However, they were only able to make it fit by changing the lyrics of "Young Girl" to "You're out of your mind" instead of the original "Get out of my mind". The original lyrics would have been a whole different story.

Re: Glee -- "Ballad" -- 11/18/09
 

I was just about to point this out. I loved the mash-up, but was fairly confused when they mentioned Gary Puckett and the Union Gap. "Young Girl" in it's actual concept is the exact opposite of what Will was trying to get across to Rachel. The older man is in love with a young woman and is trying to ignore it, because he believed her to be older when he fell in love with her. "You're out of your mind" was perfect.