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Jimmy James 05-13-09 10:16 PM

Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
 

Originally Posted by dsa_shea (Post 9442741)
The fact that Ben was able to be influenced to kill Jacob which his enemy couldn't directly do himself.

But what was special about now? Is it that Richard was so easily duped but somehow wasn't that stupid before? Is it something about Ben in particular? It's a real puzzler in my book.

Arthur Dent 05-13-09 10:16 PM

Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
 

Originally Posted by dsa_shea (Post 9442741)
The fact that Ben was able to be influenced to kill Jacob which his enemy couldn't directly do himself.

The enemy at the beginning reminded me of Richard Hatch for some reason.

BlackCapTen 05-13-09 10:17 PM

Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
 

Originally Posted by goofee girl (Post 9442734)
Did anybody else notice that Jacob touched all of our losties in the flashbacks except for Hurley? Am I wrong?

I think he did touch Hurley in the cab.

dsa_shea 05-13-09 10:17 PM

Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
 
It makes you wonder now if the Jacob in the cabin was the real one or an apparition created by the enemy to breed a hate of him in Ben. It makes sense now that Locke was able to see him and actually helped him in an indirect way. What wouldn't make sense is for that to have been the real Jacob in the cabin surrounded by the black powder while simultaneously living free in the foot of the statue. And who the hell are the other passengers from the Ajira flight?

Matthew Ackerly 05-13-09 10:18 PM

Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
 
I hope we haven't seen the last of Desmond.

Seems like his story might be over.

PopcornTreeCt 05-13-09 10:18 PM

Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
 

Originally Posted by goofee girl (Post 9442749)
Season 3 was the worst season by far.

Yes.

I think John Locke is really Sylar.

dsa_shea 05-13-09 10:19 PM

Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
 

Originally Posted by Sean O'Hara (Post 9442748)
Faux Locke is the guy Jacob was talking to at the beginning.

Speaking of which, if Jacob is from the Black Rock era (or earlier), why does he have an American accent?

I think we were actually watching the Black Rock arrive at the island when the episode began.

flagstone 05-13-09 10:19 PM

Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
 

Originally Posted by dsa_shea (Post 9442753)
It makes you wonder now if the Jacob in the cabin was the real one or an apparition created by the enemy to breed a hate of him in Ben.

Well, the Ajira leader (what's-her-name) did say that someone else had been using the cabin.

Jimmy James 05-13-09 10:20 PM

Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
 

Originally Posted by flagstone (Post 9442759)
Well, the Ajira leader (what's-her-name) did say that someone else had been using the cabin.

Rose and Bernard seemed to me to be using it, yes?

Matthew Ackerly 05-13-09 10:21 PM

Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
 
I have to say, that fight between Jack and Sawyer was pretty bad-ass.

I've been waiting for them to have a fist fight like that!

dsa_shea 05-13-09 10:21 PM

Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
 

Originally Posted by flagstone (Post 9442759)
Well, the Ajira leader (what's-her-name) did say that someone else had been using the cabin.

Are we talking about the same cabin in the woods? The one that moves? And how would she know that anyways?

IDrinkMolson 05-13-09 10:22 PM

Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
 

Originally Posted by awil1026 (Post 9442723)
I assume the loophole was in reference to the beginning of the episode: that guy wanting to kill Jacob but being unable to.

My guess is the bearded guy from the beginning was imprisoned in "Jacob's cabin". He got out and influenced the Losties to help him. Somehow took on Locke's likeness and impersonated him.
It was great to see Ben getting taken advantaged of.
The guy that picked up Miles ('you owe me a fish taco') in the van asked about the shadow of the statue too. So, whose side are they on, Jacob's? They were trying to talk him out of helping Widmore. So they must have all got on the plane knowing what was going to happen.

Jason 05-13-09 10:22 PM

Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
 

Originally Posted by Jimmy James (Post 9442760)
Rose and Bernard seemed to me to be using it, yes?

I thought they built their own.

Never cared too much for their story, but the closure their characters got was really nice.

Shinobi 05-13-09 10:22 PM

Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
 

Originally Posted by dsa_shea (Post 9442763)
Are we talking about the same cabin in the woods? The one that moves? And how would she know that anyways?

She seemed to know it due to the Egyptian cloth pinned to the wall with the blade.

DthRdrX 05-13-09 10:23 PM

Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
 

Originally Posted by flagstone (Post 9442759)
Well, the Ajira leader (what's-her-name) did say that someone else had been using the cabin.

Yep, Jacob left the cabin, the other guy moved in as Christian. Conned Locke into killing himself.

I think Jacob knew Juliet had to be there to explode the bomb and change things. They certainly didn't kill the major characters off, so Juliet changed something.

Also, this is the first time on the show Ben was completely conned by someone else.

Palaver 05-13-09 10:23 PM

Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
 
I'm going to go ahead and toot my own horn here: :)


Originally Posted by Palaver (Post 9433216)
I can’t help but wonder if resurrected Locke isn’t the real Locke. But that he is an agent (or cohort) of the Smoke Monster like Yemi and Alex were. Perhaps Jacob and the Smoke Monster are enemies and Smokie is using Locke’s likeness and knowledge to gain Jacob’s trust long enough to attempt to kill him.


dx23 05-13-09 10:23 PM

Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
 

Originally Posted by goofee girl (Post 9442734)
Did anybody else notice that Jacob touched all of our losties in the flashbacks except for Hurley? Am I wrong?

He met Hurley at the cab when he was released from prison.

goofee girl 05-13-09 10:23 PM

Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
 
Where did Rose and Bernard get all the new clothes?

IDrinkMolson 05-13-09 10:24 PM

Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
 

Originally Posted by Jimmy James (Post 9442760)
Rose and Bernard seemed to me to be using it, yes?

No, that was a Gilligan Island hut they built for themselves.

flagstone 05-13-09 10:25 PM

Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
 

Originally Posted by dsa_shea (Post 9442763)
Are we talking about the same cabin in the woods? The one that moves? And how would she know that anyways?

I assume the cabin that was burned in this episode was the same cabin we've seen in earlier seasons. As for how she knows any of the stuff she knows, I guess that's to find out about next season.

goofee girl 05-13-09 10:25 PM

Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
 

Originally Posted by dx23 (Post 9442771)
He met Hurley at the cab when he was released from prison.

But did he touch him? Jacob touched all the other losties in the flashbacks. I don't remember him touching Hurley.

Matthew Ackerly 05-13-09 10:26 PM

Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
 
So, who's gonna translate the answer to the shadow of the statue question?

DthRdrX 05-13-09 10:26 PM

Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
 

Originally Posted by Palaver (Post 9442769)
I'm going to go ahead and toot my own horn here: :)

Good call man!

redrum 05-13-09 10:26 PM

Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
 
how the fuck are they gonna end it like that?!?!

i know they gotta set up the final season and leave us hanging but come one!

i dunno prolly my least favorite finale yet

the locke reveal was :eek: though

chuckd21 05-13-09 10:26 PM

Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
 
No love for Rose and Bernard's return (finally!). Hell I choked up when the dog showed up.

superfro 05-13-09 10:26 PM

Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
 
The biggest shock for me from this episode?

The fact that the Fringe finale completely blew it to shit. ;)

I'm gonna let it sink in a bit, but as of right now, not too pleased. I've LOVED this season but this episode just seemed so horribly written and downright cheesy in some parts. Characters completely flip flopping back and forth just to move the story along. Sometimes only 10 minutes apart from their last defiant moment. Ugh.

Palaver 05-13-09 10:26 PM

Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
 
We never did find out what was in that damn guitar case :mad:

MoviePage 05-13-09 10:27 PM

Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
 
So basically they left us not knowing who's alive, who's dead, who's lost in time somewhere, where in time they are going, or why. What was the point of the wounded Sayid drama that wasn't resolved? What was the point of the Juliet death drama if she's just as likely to be moved in time as the rest of them, especially if this "resets" everything, which would mean that she'd still be alive and unwounded?

DthRdrX 05-13-09 10:27 PM

Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
 

Originally Posted by Matthew Ackerly (Post 9442782)
So, who's gonna translate the answer to the shadow of the statue question?

The people on Lostpedia think it means "He who saved us all" or something of the like.

Arthur Dent 05-13-09 10:27 PM

Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
 

Originally Posted by Matthew Ackerly (Post 9442782)
So, who's gonna translate the answer to the shadow of the statue question?

Ha, with all the things that happened, I completely forgot about that!

PopcornTreeCt 05-13-09 10:27 PM

Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
 

Originally Posted by Palaver (Post 9442769)
I'm going to go ahead and toot my own horn here: :)

Nice job.

flagstone 05-13-09 10:28 PM

Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
 

Originally Posted by goofee girl (Post 9442774)
Where did Rose and Bernard get all the new clothes?

Scavenged from Dharma like their food? :shrug:

By the way, that was a nice little moment in the episode to get (probably) some closure for those characters. I haven't been listening to any of the commentaries, but I kind of assumed those characters just got lost in the crowd (and the plot) and had to be effectively abandoned.

At least they didn't get buried alive....

whotony 05-13-09 10:28 PM

Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
 
he touched him just before gtting out of the cab, doesn't anyone record this?

DthRdrX 05-13-09 10:29 PM

Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
 

Originally Posted by MoviePage (Post 9442791)
So basically they left us not knowing who's alive, who's dead, who's lost in time somewhere, where in time they are going, or why. What was the point of the wounded Sayid drama that wasn't resolved? What was the point of the Juliet death drama if she's just as likely to be moved in time as the rest of them, especially if this "resets" everything, which would mean that she'd still be alive and unwounded?

The only point I can see is that by setting things up to be changed, Jacob may have changed the circumstances of his death.

This episode really makes a lot of things in earlier season make more sense. Remember Locke telling Walt, "two sides, one is light and one is dark".

HE Pennypacker 05-13-09 10:29 PM

Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
 

Originally Posted by IDrinkMolson (Post 9442765)
The guy that picked up Miles ('you owe me a fish taco') in the van asked about the shadow of the statue too.

That dude from the van is the same dude that says "we are the good guys" on the island.

Arthur Dent 05-13-09 10:29 PM

Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
 

Originally Posted by Palaver (Post 9442769)
I'm going to go ahead and toot my own horn here: :)

LOST insider!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;)

Seriously, though: nice job.

JohnSlider 05-13-09 10:30 PM

Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
 
Even if Juliet were to move through time, if that is what happened, wouldn't she be buried underground anyway? She's dead.

goofee girl 05-13-09 10:32 PM

Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
 

Originally Posted by whotony (Post 9442800)
he touched him just before gtting out of the cab, doesn't anyone record this?

Just double checking. Thanks.

I'm already rewatching the episode now and haven't gotten to that scene yet.

flagstone 05-13-09 10:33 PM

Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
 

Originally Posted by superfro (Post 9442789)
The biggest shock for me from this episode?

The fact that the Fringe finale completely blew it to shit. ;)

I'm gonna let it sink in a bit, but as of right now, not too pleased. I've LOVED this season but this episode just seemed so horribly written and downright cheesy in some parts. Characters completely flip flopping back and forth just to move the story along. Sometimes only 10 minutes apart from their last defiant moment. Ugh.

Hmmm, I feel just the opposite - the Fringe finale didn't do much for me, that's the one that just seemed like characters and plot going through the predefined motions. While the Juliet moments didn't work for me here, otherwise I thought this one was well ahead of Fringe.

But I liked 'em both.

PopcornTreeCt 05-13-09 10:33 PM

Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
 
Anyone think about the biblical references?

Seems like smokey/faux-Locke can shape shift and then Jacob is a healer. It's a nice classic showdown.


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